On Villein. 1. "problematic card"

Amenophobis wrote:

Brum wrote:

A), although it implies that it's ok to change other cards and I don't believe in that either.
So... G) Change nothing. The game is balanced with the current set of legal card texts.

Having witnessed a lot of timeout at the EC, mostly due to Villeins, I strongly contest that.

This implies a problem with the time limit, not Villein.

I wonder how many time outs there were at the EC in the years prior to Villein being printed?

Dave, get out of my head!

The other option, which is the one I'm inclined to side with is that we simply have to adapt. This game is incredibly hard, no player has complete understanding of anything in this game. If we give it time, I think we will learn to finish our games within 2 hours both playing against and playing with Villein.

@ Xaddam and Brum: I changed point a). I think you could vote for that statement now.

Hakuron wrote:

Amenophobis wrote:

IMO points c) and d).
I strongly believe that the hosing should be reduced somewhat, and it should only give 6 pool max.

c) should be seen in relation with f) ... If changing the card text, I highly recommend not (only) to say "up to 5", but (in addition) to say "at least 2 blood must remain on the vampire" ... Else midcamp vampire would benefit most from the change, and you exchanged only the problematic capacity ...

I'm not sure how to add this option without making this poll most complicated. There are people saying yes to that suggestion but like to get rid of MT-hosing, want to keep the hosing, want to get rid of trifle and so on... Would it be okay if I'd just give your suggestion an extraoption without the hosing-point?