Deck Size & Formula
22 Nov 2012 02:33 #41389
by Adonai
None. If there are only 2 players, I find something else to do.
There are plenty of good 2 player games, standard V:TES isn't one of them.
Variant V:TES is a good alternative.
I don't know of anyone that plays with the deck construction rules as printed in the rulebook. The online community has used the tournament rules practically since their introduction. Decks are 60-90 cards and the number of players doesn't matter.
Legbiter had a theory for that called Happy Families . The second link in the left hand pane has theory and examples or you can examine just the theory, here .
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Deck Size & Formula
1. Wondering what size decks players use for a 2-player game
None. If there are only 2 players, I find something else to do.
There are plenty of good 2 player games, standard V:TES isn't one of them.
Variant V:TES is a good alternative.
and for every player added. I know the max size, but was curious if well designed decks were constructed with less cards.
I don't know of anyone that plays with the deck construction rules as printed in the rulebook. The online community has used the tournament rules practically since their introduction. Decks are 60-90 cards and the number of players doesn't matter.
2. Any good formulas of the number of each type of card in someone's Library?
Legbiter had a theory for that called Happy Families . The second link in the left hand pane has theory and examples or you can examine just the theory, here .
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05 Mar 2013 07:06 #45665
by direwolf
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
Replied by direwolf on topic Re: Deck Size & Formula
I've found that 75 cards is a good goal to aim towards. But that does depend on the type of deck you are playing, and how many of your "power cards" you are using.
If you are building a Potence combat deck and you own 5-6 Immortal Grapple, than I would recommend a smaller deck (60-70 cards,) For a 90 card deck you will probably want 10 Immortal Grapple.
Often, you will have a variety of "power cards" such as Pentex Subversion, Giant's Blood, Heart of Nizchetus etc. You might have one or two copies of some of these card. A smaller deck will assure you see more of these cards in the course of a game.
The other thing to consider is that with a smaller deck you have to make your actions count. Failed actions with a smaller deck are more costly than failed actions with a larger deck. In a long game you might find yourself running out of cards which could make the different in a game win. But more often, you will be ousted seeing less than half of your deck.
If you are building a Potence combat deck and you own 5-6 Immortal Grapple, than I would recommend a smaller deck (60-70 cards,) For a 90 card deck you will probably want 10 Immortal Grapple.
Often, you will have a variety of "power cards" such as Pentex Subversion, Giant's Blood, Heart of Nizchetus etc. You might have one or two copies of some of these card. A smaller deck will assure you see more of these cards in the course of a game.
The other thing to consider is that with a smaller deck you have to make your actions count. Failed actions with a smaller deck are more costly than failed actions with a larger deck. In a long game you might find yourself running out of cards which could make the different in a game win. But more often, you will be ousted seeing less than half of your deck.




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05 Mar 2013 07:12 - 05 Mar 2013 07:13 #45666
by Pascal Bertrand
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I haven't found a better 2-player format than
Battle Arena
(except that we used to play with the so called "banned" cards)
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05 Mar 2013 07:38 #45667
by Ashur
The only 2-player variant I like is the "Common pool"-variant (www265.pair.com/perlman/vtes/vtes2p.html )
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
Replied by Ashur on topic Re: Deck Size & Formula
I agree with this. There is no reason to play VTES unless you are 4 or 5 players.None. If there are only 2 players, I find something else to do.
The only 2-player variant I like is the "Common pool"-variant (www265.pair.com/perlman/vtes/vtes2p.html )
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08 Mar 2013 13:44 #45899
by Lemminkäinen
In Excel it's HYPGEOMDIST (N, Z, X, Y)
where
X is the number of a certain card that you have in the deck.
Y is the number of cards in the deck.
Z is the number of cards you are drawing.
N is the number you are checking for.
So, if you have a 70 card deck with five Lilith's Blessings and you're wondering what are the odds of finding at least one amongst the ten first cards, you would put this in excel:
HYPGEOMDIST (1, 10, 5, 70)
The answer is about 40%, btw. Naturally you'd want to put it into Excel so that you'll have the Z going up from seven so that you can check what's you chance of finding the first Lilith's Blessing at a particular time in the game.
There's also an online tool for this but it isn't as handy:
stattrek.com/online-calculator/hypergeometric.aspx
Replied by Lemminkäinen on topic Re: Deck Size & Formula
Hypergeometric distribution is what you want.2. Any good formulas of the number of each type of card in someone's Library?
In Excel it's HYPGEOMDIST (N, Z, X, Y)
where
X is the number of a certain card that you have in the deck.
Y is the number of cards in the deck.
Z is the number of cards you are drawing.
N is the number you are checking for.
So, if you have a 70 card deck with five Lilith's Blessings and you're wondering what are the odds of finding at least one amongst the ten first cards, you would put this in excel:
HYPGEOMDIST (1, 10, 5, 70)
The answer is about 40%, btw. Naturally you'd want to put it into Excel so that you'll have the Z going up from seven so that you can check what's you chance of finding the first Lilith's Blessing at a particular time in the game.
There's also an online tool for this but it isn't as handy:
stattrek.com/online-calculator/hypergeometric.aspx
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08 Mar 2013 20:45 #45908
by Adonai
Or you could use the tools that Ira put together.
www.irafay.com/cards.php
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Deck Size & Formula
Hypergeometric distribution is what you want.2. Any good formulas of the number of each type of card in someone's Library?
There's also an online tool for this but it isn't as handy:
stattrek.com/online-calculator/hypergeometric.aspx
Or you could use the tools that Ira put together.
www.irafay.com/cards.php
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