Regarding unplayable or overpowered cards

Ashur wrote:

Amenophobis wrote:

Ashur wrote:

Reyda wrote:

Only usable during a D action against a vampire in torpor

I guess it´s this bit that makes the card unplayable.

Because diablerie, rescuing, Graverobbing and others don't happen in the game? At all? I see vampires rescued left and right very often. Blocking the rescue can be very handy. Blocking a Graverobbing is very good.

It´s too cornercase in my opinion. I don´t know how many cards of this type you include in your decks, unless you play some kind of Regeneration-bloat engine.

Of course it is corner case.

Is movement of the slow body cornercase ? Is rapid healing cornercase ?
Sure they are.
But at least they are playable. You see them from time to time, they make a nice trick because you don't expect them. And they also open new deck ideas. Some of them are fairly succesful, just like the force of will/conditioning/Movement of the slow body deck is.

Is the cornercase state of a card a reason for us not tinkering it ? I beg to disagree. And the last designer disagrees to.

Cauldron of blood has been errated. Gangrel Revel has been errated. When was the last time anyone played one of those cards ?
If it opens new ways for making decks, i'm all for it.

I agree with you, Reyda. This thread has become a discussion of "unplayable" cards, Eyes of the Dead in particular, and how to make such cards playable.

A "cornercase" card is PLAYABLE! The very idea of this thread (and related ones) is to turn "unplayable" cards into "cornercase" cards!

It is wrong to say that discussion of errata or new cards must be guided by the principle that any new card or errata must produce a versatile or powerful card.

If you want to preemptively shut down all ideas about card changes or card designs, at least try to find a reason that is appropriate to the forum at hand.

If a change to Eyes of the Dead makes it playable in any deck, that's a success!

AaronC wrote:

I agree with you, Reyda. This thread has become a discussion of "unplayable" cards, Eyes of the Dead in particular, and how to make such cards playable.

that was my point from start, thanks Aaron

make Illegal Search and Seizure work vs any weapon and we have nice niche counter against celgun decks. would it make ISaS overpowered? i dont think so. still Canine Horde (which is considered weak and situational card) would be better.

luckily, most of these noob cards were not reprinted in later editions. but they still exist in vast numbers.

AaronC wrote:

This thread has become a discussion of "unplayable" cards, Eyes of the Dead in particular, and how to make such cards playable.

Then again, the thread IS called "Regarding unplayable or overpowered cards"...