SCE
20 May 2018 20:44 #87207
by elotar
Actually never in this topic I'm suggesting to do anything with SCE. But somehow everybody are trying to convince me not to change them, as if I have any power to do it.
Which seems to be self defeating argument - if emotions so overwhelm the person, that he can't read and understand half a page of text, than maybe his position is not a rational one.
The point of this topic is just some effort, I think already successful, to restore thought process behind invention of this mechanic.
What to do with this knowledge is completely other question. It seems to me, that not only in Russian schools history was taught badly, if nobody understand why it's needed and how it should be used.
NC Russia



I'm not sure what is going on here, but I just want to say that in my mind, strike:combat ends are fine as is.
Actually never in this topic I'm suggesting to do anything with SCE. But somehow everybody are trying to convince me not to change them, as if I have any power to do it.

Which seems to be self defeating argument - if emotions so overwhelm the person, that he can't read and understand half a page of text, than maybe his position is not a rational one.
The point of this topic is just some effort, I think already successful, to restore thought process behind invention of this mechanic.
What to do with this knowledge is completely other question. It seems to me, that not only in Russian schools history was taught badly, if nobody understand why it's needed and how it should be used.






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21 May 2018 12:04 #87223
by Malachy
You're just suggesting the mechanic should be changed (multiple times and thank god you can't change any of this you mentioned, by yourself). English is not my native tongue, but I chewed myself through your wall of texts to find out your motives, yet you cannot answer one simple question, presented in the most polite way
On top of that, somehow my reaction was labeled as "religious belief". I'm opposed to your agenda not because of anything you falsely interpreted towards my beliefs, but because out of the 14 years experience I have been actively playing this game (comeptitvely also) I've never felt changing what you are suggesting we should. Of course that doesn't mean I am right and you are wrong, it just means your yelping might be an overexaggerated conjunction, and I feel somewhat staggered that my totally good willing and mannered post just got labeled as "religious belief" when I believe my argument was sound. It also suggests you instantly branded me of being a bigoted, insensible person just because I didn't feel to counteract your "logical and rational"(talking about churchy belief) argument. It's condescending. Don't be condescending to protect your credibility and maintain your air of patronage.
NC of Hungary
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Actually never in this topic I'm suggesting to do anything with SCE. But somehow everybody are trying to convince me not to change them, as if I have any power to do it.
You're just suggesting the mechanic should be changed (multiple times and thank god you can't change any of this you mentioned, by yourself). English is not my native tongue, but I chewed myself through your wall of texts to find out your motives, yet you cannot answer one simple question, presented in the most polite way

On top of that, somehow my reaction was labeled as "religious belief". I'm opposed to your agenda not because of anything you falsely interpreted towards my beliefs, but because out of the 14 years experience I have been actively playing this game (comeptitvely also) I've never felt changing what you are suggesting we should. Of course that doesn't mean I am right and you are wrong, it just means your yelping might be an overexaggerated conjunction, and I feel somewhat staggered that my totally good willing and mannered post just got labeled as "religious belief" when I believe my argument was sound. It also suggests you instantly branded me of being a bigoted, insensible person just because I didn't feel to counteract your "logical and rational"(talking about churchy belief) argument. It's condescending. Don't be condescending to protect your credibility and maintain your air of patronage.
NC of Hungary
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21 May 2018 12:24 #87225
by Kraus
I'm simply astounded by the amount of hostility the OP conjures up in and from his posts. I really don't get where it's coming from.
I've already lost my hopes in any reasonable and productively argumentative discussion with... some members of these forums.
It's not you. Keep up the good work though.
To be fair, I still don't get what the point of this thread was supposed to be from the start...
Was there a point?
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To be fair, I don't think it's really worth your time trying to defend yourself too much.Stuff
I'm simply astounded by the amount of hostility the OP conjures up in and from his posts. I really don't get where it's coming from.
I've already lost my hopes in any reasonable and productively argumentative discussion with... some members of these forums.
It's not you. Keep up the good work though.
To be fair, I still don't get what the point of this thread was supposed to be from the start...

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21 May 2018 12:33 #87226
by elotar
Friend, when on my comment, that I'm not suggesting changes to SCE you are replying NO, YOU ARE SUGGESTING IT! And then continue with an wall of text with some nonsense about why it should not be done, then sorry, I can't help to not see, that some of your religious beliefs are some how on the line.
I can confess, I got religion believes too. One of the main tenets of it is that there are reason for the things happening. So I've tried to find how SCE was developed. I think quite successfully - no other plausible suggestions was provided even if I've said countless times that l'm open to them.
It just happened, that SCE was a result of sequence of actions of pressed by time (and, maybe, something else) not qualified people. There are nothing to be emotional about.
But now the time has passed, game has changed and we can't return back in time and fix it. But this knowledge is useful in other way, for me, for example, it gave a valuable insight into why collective efforts to streamline combat structure are not working and how it should be approached.
NC Russia



Actually never in this topic I'm suggesting to do anything with SCE.
You're just suggesting the mechanic should be changed...
Friend, when on my comment, that I'm not suggesting changes to SCE you are replying NO, YOU ARE SUGGESTING IT! And then continue with an wall of text with some nonsense about why it should not be done, then sorry, I can't help to not see, that some of your religious beliefs are some how on the line.
I can confess, I got religion believes too. One of the main tenets of it is that there are reason for the things happening. So I've tried to find how SCE was developed. I think quite successfully - no other plausible suggestions was provided even if I've said countless times that l'm open to them.
It just happened, that SCE was a result of sequence of actions of pressed by time (and, maybe, something else) not qualified people. There are nothing to be emotional about.
But now the time has passed, game has changed and we can't return back in time and fix it. But this knowledge is useful in other way, for me, for example, it gave a valuable insight into why collective efforts to streamline combat structure are not working and how it should be approached.





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21 May 2018 12:43 #87228
by elotar
Obviously to get your extremely valuable comments!
NC Russia



To be fair, I still don't get what the point of this thread was supposed to be from the start...
Obviously to get your extremely valuable comments!





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