@skimflux.
1) the unstated assumption seems to be that no other cards are a problem. The result might be more accurately stated as "slightly more common than other cards" assuming the whole data set looks like that.
Fair enough, but since nobody has ever called for nerfing Ventrue Headquarters, and other very popular cards are seen as fine*, I think "slightly more common than other popular cards" is not a solid argument for nerfing EL.
2) I think just showing number of decks ith csrd that won tournament isn't the greatest way to get information. Need to know how often it is played and how often counterplayed and so on. If 11 guys played it and it won 11 tournaments that is telling.
Agreed, but it is what we have - until we can get full information on all tournament playing decks, the TWDA is the next best thing. Besides, we do have anedotal information from the tournaments we have played in - for example, there were at least a couple of EL decks in Warsaw but none of those got a tournament win, so we do know it's not winning everytime it is played.
3) why not look at on the qui vive? If the data points it out maybe we should consider why.
Because we've been down that road before - in 1998, when WWEF was nerfed. Note that WWEF got up to 78% in the TWDA in 1999,
after being nerfed**. 'Wake' is a fundamental effect for the game, and therefore it in accepted that nearly every deck will use some wake effects. OTQV is the one that better fits most decks, but that does not really make it unbalanced - WWEF and FA still see significant play.
Anyway, you can get the full file here:
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*personally I think the combo of Nephandus and Antonio d'Erlette is too strong and lacks effective counters, but it seems this is not a common opinion
** I'll admit the stats for 1999 are a bit sketchy (only 23 decks), but it remained around 50% until 2007, when OTQV came along.
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