Herrakerho (The League of Distinquished Gentlemen)
27 Feb 2012 12:32 - 27 Feb 2012 12:34 #24191
by Klaital
Herrakerho (The League of Distinquished Gentlemen) was created by Klaital
This is an updated version of a deck I posted sometime ago, this time with an actual name too! It has been refined by removing cards that were fairly situational, and adding more generally useful cards. With mirror walks and obediences the deck can completely avoid combat, thus both saving lot of deck space that would otherwise be needed for combat cards, and hopefully making others to jam on them.
The main problem with this is rushy allies that can't use obedience against, which is why there are blood of sandmans in the deck, that can also be used to shut down super star blockers, or if neither are present on table, Dr. John can ditch them for extra votes. There are no wider views in the deck, because I much prefer to convert the extra copies to pool with malgorzata's special instead. There aren't many cards that cost blood in the deck, and since I should not get in combat don't need spare blood for that, so can generally villein my vamipres down to 3-4 blood, less if coven or papillon is out already. Justicar Retributions are bit of a silver bullet there to blow up the entire inner circle who would be about only ones that might be able to challenge me in the sheer amount of table votes I get with Orlando, whereas anarchist uprising and ancilla empowerment instead will similarly blow up weenie hordes.
Crypt:
1x Anastasz di Zagreb
1x Polly Kay Fisher
1x Troius
1x Dr. John Dee
2x Malgorzata
2x Orlando Oriundus
2x Lernean
2x Lucas Halton
Library: 90
Master: 24
1x Creepshow Casino
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
2x Information Highway
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Papillon
1x Pentex Subversion
1x The Coven
8x Villein
6x Zillah's Valley
Action: 13
3x Blood of Sandman
10x Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier: 10
10x Mirror Walk
Political Actioon: 21
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
1x Ancilla Empowerment
2x Justicar Retribution
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
4x Parity Shift
1x Political Stranglehold
1x Reins of Power
Reaction: 22
9x Deflection
5x Eyes of Argus
8x Obedience
The main problem with this is rushy allies that can't use obedience against, which is why there are blood of sandmans in the deck, that can also be used to shut down super star blockers, or if neither are present on table, Dr. John can ditch them for extra votes. There are no wider views in the deck, because I much prefer to convert the extra copies to pool with malgorzata's special instead. There aren't many cards that cost blood in the deck, and since I should not get in combat don't need spare blood for that, so can generally villein my vamipres down to 3-4 blood, less if coven or papillon is out already. Justicar Retributions are bit of a silver bullet there to blow up the entire inner circle who would be about only ones that might be able to challenge me in the sheer amount of table votes I get with Orlando, whereas anarchist uprising and ancilla empowerment instead will similarly blow up weenie hordes.
Crypt:
1x Anastasz di Zagreb
1x Polly Kay Fisher
1x Troius
1x Dr. John Dee
2x Malgorzata
2x Orlando Oriundus
2x Lernean
2x Lucas Halton
Library: 90
Master: 24
1x Creepshow Casino
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
2x Information Highway
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Papillon
1x Pentex Subversion
1x The Coven
8x Villein
6x Zillah's Valley
Action: 13
3x Blood of Sandman
10x Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier: 10
10x Mirror Walk
Political Actioon: 21
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
1x Ancilla Empowerment
2x Justicar Retribution
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
4x Parity Shift
1x Political Stranglehold
1x Reins of Power
Reaction: 22
9x Deflection
5x Eyes of Argus
8x Obedience
Last edit: 27 Feb 2012 12:34 by Klaital.
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27 Feb 2012 17:25 #24215
by erewego
Replied by erewego on topic Re: Herrakerho (The League of Distinquished Gentlemen)
Okay, I would redo this deck somewhat, but to explain why all the changes I will go to your text of what you said the deck should do.
- "mirror walks and obediences the deck can completely avoid combat"
- "blood of sandmans in the deck"
- "I much prefer to convert the extra copies to pool with malgorzata's special"
- ".... the entire inner circle who would be about only ones that might be able to challenge me in the sheer amount of table votes I get with Orlando, whereas anarchist uprising and ancilla empowerment instead will similarly blow up weenie hordes."
- (from chat) "Biggest issue that I have had in games with that deck so far is never drawing acceleration masters"
Crypt:
1x Frondator
1x Ladislas Toth, The Torch
1x Polly Kay Fisher
2x Dr. John Dee
4x Malgorzata
3x Orlando Oriundus
*Based on your description, I wanted guys who can keep the Govern-Down-chain and still do what you stated. Frondator is actually pretty good. But if you want to keep them big, Victorine Lafourcade (prince, inferior tha) is an interesting choice with her special.
Library: 90
Master: 25
1x Creepshow Casino
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
2x Information Highway
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Papillon
1x Pentex Subversion
7x Villein
5x Zillah's Valley
1x Barrens
1x Powerbase: Madrid
1x Secure Haven
*Personally, my excelleration package is (3 Dreams, 3 info, 3 Zillah, 1 Montreal) but I modified to keep your theme. That is over 10% of your cards while 3 of them allows you to discard extra). Note the 3 additions. 1 for cycle. 1 for votes with Orlando. 1 to avoid combat. Rumors of Gehenna will be added below. Also note
Action: 15
3x Blood of Sandman
10x Govern the Unaligned
2x Rutors Hand
*Rutors Hand is very very good for big vamp decks. I would try Blood of Sandman but never used it. Good luck!
Action Modifier: 12
9x Mirror Walk
3x Seduction
Political Actioon: 19
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
1x Ancilla Empowerment
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
3x Banishment
1x Political Stranglehold
1x Reins of Power
*No real Camarilla now, and Banishment is very strong. Justicar Retribution can only be played by Camarilla. Can consider Fear of Mekket if you want.
Reaction: 18
7x Deflection
4x Eyes of Argus
8x Obedience
*I personally would have less Deflections but that seemed to be part of your avoidance theme.
Hope this helps!
Adam
- "mirror walks and obediences the deck can completely avoid combat"
- "blood of sandmans in the deck"
- "I much prefer to convert the extra copies to pool with malgorzata's special"
- ".... the entire inner circle who would be about only ones that might be able to challenge me in the sheer amount of table votes I get with Orlando, whereas anarchist uprising and ancilla empowerment instead will similarly blow up weenie hordes."
- (from chat) "Biggest issue that I have had in games with that deck so far is never drawing acceleration masters"
Crypt:
1x Frondator
1x Ladislas Toth, The Torch
1x Polly Kay Fisher
2x Dr. John Dee
4x Malgorzata
3x Orlando Oriundus
*Based on your description, I wanted guys who can keep the Govern-Down-chain and still do what you stated. Frondator is actually pretty good. But if you want to keep them big, Victorine Lafourcade (prince, inferior tha) is an interesting choice with her special.
Library: 90
Master: 25
1x Creepshow Casino
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
2x Information Highway
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Papillon
1x Pentex Subversion
7x Villein
5x Zillah's Valley
1x Barrens
1x Powerbase: Madrid
1x Secure Haven
*Personally, my excelleration package is (3 Dreams, 3 info, 3 Zillah, 1 Montreal) but I modified to keep your theme. That is over 10% of your cards while 3 of them allows you to discard extra). Note the 3 additions. 1 for cycle. 1 for votes with Orlando. 1 to avoid combat. Rumors of Gehenna will be added below. Also note
Action: 15
3x Blood of Sandman
10x Govern the Unaligned
2x Rutors Hand
*Rutors Hand is very very good for big vamp decks. I would try Blood of Sandman but never used it. Good luck!
Action Modifier: 12
9x Mirror Walk
3x Seduction
Political Actioon: 19
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
1x Ancilla Empowerment
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
3x Banishment
1x Political Stranglehold
1x Reins of Power
*No real Camarilla now, and Banishment is very strong. Justicar Retribution can only be played by Camarilla. Can consider Fear of Mekket if you want.
Reaction: 18
7x Deflection
4x Eyes of Argus
8x Obedience
*I personally would have less Deflections but that seemed to be part of your avoidance theme.
Hope this helps!
Adam
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27 Feb 2012 17:38 #24216
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Herrakerho (The League of Distinquished Gentlemen)
I don't really understand the changes you made to the crypt. In your version, 9/12 vampires are 9 caps, which means you can barely ever govern down, and will be drawing lots of duplicates from crypt instead of vampires you can actually influence out. Also with so much smaller crypt, Ancient Influence, Political Stranglehold, and Reins of Power all become much weaker, and there likely isn't enough table votes to pass anything, since you removed both the cardinal and justicar. Also removed parity shifts which were the biggest pool damage votes in the deck, while at same time gaining you pool. Maybe I am missing something obvious, but I don't really understand these changes?
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27 Feb 2012 20:53 #24228
by erewego
Replied by erewego on topic Re: Herrakerho (The League of Distinquished Gentlemen)
I will try to answer your questions.
You are right about the 9/12 9 caps. That was my mistake. I thought Orlando was a 8 cap. And I was enamored with Dr. John Dee's special. You already have the following (minus Dr John)
7 9 caps
1 8 cap
1 7 cap
1 5 cap
Duplicates are okay because Malgorzata uses them. For political stranglehold you could put it Troius and Victorine Lafourcade as two more 8 caps.
With Orlando you already have a lot of votes. You mentioned Mal and Orlando, so I made it likely that you draw them, and that the support vamps also have votes. Someone mentioned Cardinal Benediction which would be excellent for Orlando.
Parity Shifts where not in the description of you deck. Unless you have a really aggressive predator, you will most likely have more pool.
Political Stranglehold is still good, guaranteed 6 pool, maybe 9. And one card in a deck is not a strategy. Likewise for ancient influence. Reins of Power is "less good" by 1 pool. You have 12 damaging votes + 3 Banishments which is very powerful.
I quoted what you explained your deck to be. I can make a million decks with this concept but I wanted to keep with your theme (which I stated on top). If you have a different theme... then I'm not a mind reader.
Hope this explains some.
You are right about the 9/12 9 caps. That was my mistake. I thought Orlando was a 8 cap. And I was enamored with Dr. John Dee's special. You already have the following (minus Dr John)
7 9 caps
1 8 cap
1 7 cap
1 5 cap
Duplicates are okay because Malgorzata uses them. For political stranglehold you could put it Troius and Victorine Lafourcade as two more 8 caps.
With Orlando you already have a lot of votes. You mentioned Mal and Orlando, so I made it likely that you draw them, and that the support vamps also have votes. Someone mentioned Cardinal Benediction which would be excellent for Orlando.
Parity Shifts where not in the description of you deck. Unless you have a really aggressive predator, you will most likely have more pool.
Political Stranglehold is still good, guaranteed 6 pool, maybe 9. And one card in a deck is not a strategy. Likewise for ancient influence. Reins of Power is "less good" by 1 pool. You have 12 damaging votes + 3 Banishments which is very powerful.
I quoted what you explained your deck to be. I can make a million decks with this concept but I wanted to keep with your theme (which I stated on top). If you have a different theme... then I'm not a mind reader.

Hope this explains some.
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