PRETHAUS - Rebekka Bleed With Crocodile's Tongue

-2 Yasmin the Black
+2 Jost Werner

-1 Remover
-1 Blood Doll
-1 Effective Management
+1 Lilith's Blessing
+1 Presence
+1 Wider View
+1 Perfectionist
-1 Rutor's Hand

-6 Legal Manipulations
+6 Public Trust

-1 Codex of Edenic Groundskeepers
-1 Thadius Zho, Mage
+2 Change of Target

-2 My Enemy's Enemy
+2 Eyes of Argus

-4 Movement of the Mind
+4 Charismatic Aura

Kiddo: the deck is mostly about which is why Ardan Lane and Yasmin made the cut, and not Alfred Benezri or Jost Werner. Jost might still be a good vampire for the deck since he can play the bounce.

Reyda: Fidus has good qualities but I don't think I would influence him if I can get Ardan or Yasmin instead.

Jeff: I hate your deck clinic posts. I'll stick with the angle until I play a few JOL games, then see if it would work better -centered. I have already made some of your suggested changes as my first reply implied. Your suggestion of 2x Change of Target is probably a good one.

I like that angle. I just think that the stealth bleed bit of Jost is too strong to ignore. In my original draft (which I edited before submitting), I actually had +1 Artum Venificorum Sanguinis just for Jost. I still think that is viable. The only Thaumaturgy I removed was Movement of the Mind and I added what I think is just a superior card playable by all your minions which effectively serves the same purpose as MotM. I am totally with you that Mirror Walk is the key, just not the combat.

Here is a new iteration based on the discussion so far:

Deck Name: PRETHAUS
Author: John McGlynn
Description:
Influence out Rebekka and Yasmin or Ardan Lane, defend pool, bleed at stealth. Crocodile\'s Tongue for pressure with Signet of King Saul for large blockers.

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=8 avg=6.5)
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2x Ardan Lane 8 dom obf pre AUS THA Tremere:3
1x Blythe Candeleria 3 aus THA Tremere:2
1x Cohn Rose 5 aus dom pre THA Tremere:3
1x Pieter van Dorn 4 dom pre tha Tremere:3
4x Rebekka, Chantry Elder of Munich 8 pot AUS PRE THA Tremere:2
3x Yasmin the Black 6 dom pre AUS THA !Tremere:3

Library (80 cards)
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Master (18)
1x Arcane Library
2x Blood Doll
1x Chantry
1x Dominion
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Perfectionist
1x Presence
1x Remover
6x Sudden Reversal
1x Wider View

Event (2)
1x Break the Code
1x Scourge of the Enochians

Action (18)
3x Entrancement
1x Heart of the City
4x Legal Manipulations
4x Magic of the Smith
5x Public Trust
1x Pulse of the Canaille

Equipment (4)
1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
1x Gran Madre di Dio, Italy
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Signet of King Saul, The

Ally (1)
1x Ponticulus

Action Modifier (15)
2x Change of Target
6x Crocodile's Tongue
7x Mirror Walk

Reaction (12)
2x Delaying Tactics
2x Eyes of Argus
2x My Enemy's Enemy
1x On the Qui Vive
5x Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (10)
3x Majesty
4x Movement of the Mind
3x Theft of Vitae

Created with Secret Library v0.9.3. (May 10, 2012 20:14:07)

Jeff wrote:

I like that angle. I just think that the stealth bleed bit of Jost is too strong to ignore. In my original draft (which I edited before submitting), I actually had +1 Artum Venificorum Sanguinis just for Jost. I still think that is viable. The only Thaumaturgy I removed was Movement of the Mind and I added what I think is just a superior card playable by all your minions which effectively serves the same purpose as MotM. I am totally with you that Mirror Walk is the key, just not the combat.

You may be right - I'll let experience decide. What Charsimatic Aura does not do, however, is give me a press out against Aid from Bats when I choose to play Theft of Vitae or have a minion that does not have superior presence. If I chose to go that route, I would drop the Thefts and play 7 Majesty and 3 Charismatic Aura.

Interesting idea - So its AUS THA with pre? Just some points:

VAMPIRES:
I don't know what vamps you own but I'll just point out some others who work.

Alfred Benezri
6 Cap
aus dom PRE THA Pander
Bishop
Group 3
Sabbat Bishop: Alfred gets -1 strength in combat with an ally

[ADVANCED] [Same disciplines] Advanced, Sabbat bishop: If Alfred is ready, he may tap before range is determined to end combat between two other Sabbat vampires. [MERGE] Archbishop of Montreal: Once each referendum, he may burn 1 blood to gain 1 vote.
[Adam Note: Pretty good with Rutor's Hand...]


Virstania, The Great Mother
7 Cap
AUS dom pre THA vic
Tremere
Group 3
Camarilla: If Virstania is ready, any ready slave Gargoyle may remove his or her slave status and become an independent vampire as a +1 stealth action, and non-slave Gargoyles can bleed at +1 bleed as a action that costs a blood.


Yitzak
7 Cap
pre AUS CEL THA Toreador Antitribu
Group 3
Sabbat: Yitzak may tap a younger vampire as a action. If successful, that vampire does not untap as normal during his or her next untap phase.




[Adam note: There are others but they are equal or bigger then Rebekka.]


THEME: The theme seems good, but I noticed some discrepancies...
AUS - Crocodile Tongue is an excellent card for THA DOM but with Rebekka +1 stealth, people might not even attempt to block. Also, at inferior is is not so great. And it only works on Younger vamps and allies. This may clog you hand. Also, you only have 3 theft of Vitae, so the combo seems off. If you can get a little more PRE consider:

Force of Personality
Action Modifier/Combat
1 blood Presence

 Strike: combat ends 
 Only usable as the action is announced. Vampires must burn a blood to attempt to block this action. Non-zombie allies cannot block this action.



LIBRARY

MASTER: Only 3 black hand (same vamp at that) is probably not worth it for Dominion and Remover. Since at most you can generate 1 stealth, maybe Anarch Troublemaker and even Misdirection might be good. Maybe switch a Sudden or two for DI to stop them from Stealing your ally.



ACTION CARDS:

Not bad, your current crypt doesn't really support Heart of the city. No Rutor's Hand? Bowl of Convergence?



REACTION CARDS: Pretty straight forward. Try it out.



Combat: Ardan Lane as a great ability and almost all your guys has THA. Maybe a little more combat?





Hope this helps,

Adam