file Mono VAL

31 Oct 2012 08:58 #40099 by BobbyDoc
Mono VAL was created by BobbyDoc
Vamps (12)
2 Adonai (7, !Salubri, AUS, for, VAL, Sabbat: Adonai can enter combat with any ready Camarilla vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. He gets +1 strength when in combat with a Tremere. +1 bleed)
3 Wolf Valentine (4, !Salubri, for, VAL, gets press with Tremere)
2 Thomas Steed (4, !Salubri, ani, aus, val, Sabbat: Thomas may search your library for a melee weapon and move it to your hand as a +1 stealth action. Discard down to your hand size and shuffle your library afterward)
2 Kervos (3, !Salubri, Sabbat, aus, val)
3 Doris McMillo (2, !Salubri, Sabbat, val)

Masters (16)
2 Hungry Coyote
5 Tribute to the Master
2 Path of Retribution
5 Blooding by the Code
2 Wider View

Actions (14)
5 Brother in Arms
7 Sense Death
2 Sense Vitality

Action Modifiers (2)
2 Burning Touch

Combat(38)
8 Trap
7 Walking Stick
4 Death Seeker
4 Taste of Vitae
6 Sword of the Righteous
9 Armor of Caines Fury

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ok. not built yet. intended to oust by swarm bleed and defend by rush.
Any advice before I build it?

Cheers
Robert

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31 Oct 2012 09:40 - 31 Oct 2012 10:15 #40101 by Pendargon
Replied by Pendargon on topic Re: Mono VAL
Hide the heart! lots of it. It is awesome.

Also, more deathseekers, as they are the only thing that keeps your combat semi-viable, as any combat ends or maneuver is a serious problem for you.

Also abbots, it is almost free action that hugely improves your suvivability

Also, Fame, is obvious choice, and Vengeance of Samiel, for tha extra oomph when trying to burn vamps, and killin pesky dodgers when out of trap

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31 Oct 2012 10:22 - 31 Oct 2012 10:27 #40102 by Reyda
Replied by Reyda on topic Re: Mono VAL
I tried a very similar deck, but ended up adding blessing of the names for swarm bleeding, some auspex bounce for adonai and a couple eagle sight for the suprise effect. plays better now !

Don't forget to double the Fame. Code of Samiel is a good idea too.

oh, I have to add :

Action Modifiers (2)
2 Burning Touch

this card sucks. Really. permanent bleed is better, cause no one is going to block your fifth action.

And also : I just realized this deck would greatly benefit from recursion.

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31 Oct 2012 11:58 #40109 by Lemminkäinen
Replied by Lemminkäinen on topic Re: Mono VAL
I had a somewhat successful mono-VAL deck using Loving Agony and Target Vitals as a combat package and Hide the Heart as defense. A couple of Society of Leopolds, quite a few Brother in Arms and a couple of Camera Phones.

But yeah, a totally different deck to this one. This one, hmmm. I don't usually like the idea of bleeding for one with lots of minions if you have that many duplicates in your crypt. Bleeding for two means that you need only half as many vampires to oust, which is rather huge, so I would strive to get to bleeds for two.

Also, as Pendargon said, Fame and Vengeance of Samiel are rather obvious additions.

this card sucks. Really. permanent bleed is better, cause no one is going to block your fifth action.

I think that having a bit of transient bleed is awesome in that it messes up the math of your prey.

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31 Oct 2012 12:52 #40114 by Ohlmann
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Mono VAL
The problem with Burning TOuch is that +1 bleed is not a lot of surprises, and the inferior is not hot enough.

For surprise bleed, +2 seem the minimum in my opinion, or at least have another effect that is versatile enough (think Changelin)

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31 Oct 2012 19:24 #40169 by Juggernaut1981
Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: Mono VAL
Aaaah Salubri Anti. One of my favourite decks is a !Sal deck.

2 Burning Touch is too few. You can cycle it against people who block rushes purely because it gets them closer to the point where they can explode. You can use it to keep some consistent pressure on your prey. An !Sal deck that doesn't use things like Pulse of the Canaille, needs to have things like Burning Touch or Rayzeel's Song to get a decent amount of bleed on your prey.

I'd recommend Baseball Bats over Weighted Walking Sticks.

Aversion is a good bleed-action waster (at :val: it's a reasonably good reduce, at :VAL: it slows down a bleed deck that can't up the bleed by 2 or 3 three on their own). Hide the Heart is AWESOME.

Deathseeker is a MUST. 6-8 copies. Allows you to punish all of those one-card counters to your combat (i.e. Immortal Grapple, Majesty, etc)

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