file !Toreador filth

07 May 2011 12:20 #4233 by Pendargon
!Toreador filth was created by Pendargon
Okay, i am definitely inventing hot water here, but after i have finally obtained enough embraces, i simply have to make this deck, especially since i started playing vtes with a mix of Toreador and !Toreador starters. B)

Anyway, gimme some advice. I would definitely like to keep the deck to the 80 card limit.

:Crypt: 12
Jost Werner x3
Sheila Mezarin x2
Creamy Jade x1
Ian Wallingford x1
Mercy, Knight inquisitor x1
Remiliard, devout crusader x1
Lolita x1
Nicholas Chang x1
Sabrina x1

Library :

Masters : 15
Hungry coyote x1
Pentex Subversion x2
Lilith's blessing x1
Fetish club hg x1
Anarch troublemaker x2
The Coven x1
Blood doll x2
Sunset strip, Hollywood x1
Palla Grande x4

Reaction x20

WWef x1
Eyes of argus x2
On the Qui vive x4
Fillip x1
Telepathic misdirection x8
My enemy's enemy x2
Delaying tactics x2

Actions: 27

Embrace x10
Art scam x5
Mind numb x4
Entrancement x3
Enchant kindred x5

Action modifier : x4

Change of target x4

Combat : 14

Majesty x9
Force of personality x2
Staredown x3

How does it look like?

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07 May 2011 13:01 #4234 by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: !Toreador filth
I would take out Ian, he is sort of crap for this deck being 6 cap with only basic auspex, replace with either Greta for someone who can enchant down to all others and has nice special, or with Carter to get one more weenie. Switch force of personalities to more change of targets, or dodges, your embraces don't have presence anyway. All your wakes should be Eyes of Argus since only reason you want to wake is to bounce, and you need AUS or that anyway. At the very least change the wwef and fillip to eyes of argus. I would also probably replace one or both of hungry coyote and liliths blessing with Jake Washington instead. 15 masters is quite a lot for 80 cards so you likely wont have spare MPAs to use the blessing anyway.

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07 May 2011 13:13 #4235 by Pendargon
Replied by Pendargon on topic Re: !Toreador filth
I was thinking the same about Ian. Only i cannot decide between Greta (a bit big) and carter.
I cannot go all-out on eyes of argus, as waking and chump blocking a rusher with embrace can save my ass. aLso, waking to use delaying is better on non- AUS guys, as it saves blood on them needed to flick.

Maybe more change of target would be good. Hungry coyote is , i think too good to pass in a deck that has blood management problems, but excellent point about lilith's blessing. Maybe it would indeed be better as Jake.

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07 May 2011 13:49 - 07 May 2011 13:58 #4236 by Kraus
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Also, I could see Dream World of two there instead of one Entrancement and/or Art Scam. :) With six or seven minions and Palla Grande working, Dream World might give an unpleasant surprise for your prey during lunge.

I agree with Lilith's. There is no reason to go every single time with the trends. It's a good card, fair enough, but not fit for every single deck out there. :)

Ian's on a bit of a weird side, yeah. Maybe Greta? She's just so good. Jost's a good one there, though. +1 Stealth is awesome.

I duly agree with your opinion about Eyes of Argus. I don't understand why some people keep 8 Eyes of Argus in a deck, just because it's 'better than other wakes'. Sure, it's good, but you can't combine the inferior and superior effects, and in thsi deck in particular the weeners can't use them to full effect. And I'd always throw an embrace in the way of a scary Brujah, than, say, Mercy.

People, there is no need to use cards solely because they're 'in general better than the other one'. :) Metagaming's stupid. How Eyes of Argus are seen being played sometimes is a major example of the downsides of metaing and blindness of real life situations, in comparison to comparing the theoretical value of cards.

Just saying! :)

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Last edit: 07 May 2011 13:58 by Kraus.

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07 May 2011 18:31 #4241 by Pendargon
Replied by Pendargon on topic Re: !Toreador filth
Exactly my thoughts about eyes of argus.

I have a dislike for Dream world, but it is purely theoretical. Say palla grande is in play, and i have 5 minions, all bleeding for 2, no modifiers. Total bleed for 10.
Now, instead, first plays sup. Dream world, and others (if successful) then bleed for a total of 12, with net gain of 2 more pool (as the first one didn't bleed, and i have no multiact unless block-majesty). But, if the second one is blocked, dream world goes away, and my lunge has failed completely.

I have never played it, but if the others have some insightful tactics, or hints, please, do share! I am willing to learn :)

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07 May 2011 19:02 #4245 by KevinM
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Your deck dies horribly to Scourge of the Enochians. I'd add 1-2x Uncoiling.

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