file !Toreador filth

07 May 2011 20:19 #4247 by finbury
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I think a second Hungry Coyote or Blessing would probably be a better play than the HG. I also think more changes of Target would be handy; in many situations, it's just better than Majesty, though that does depend on how much Wake vs untap there is in your metagame.

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08 May 2011 02:39 #4251 by Klaital
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Dream World is only good for decks that have stealth in their bleeds. I wouldn't put those here.

Exactly my thoughts about eyes of argus.

I have a dislike for Dream world, but it is purely theoretical. Say palla grande is in play, and i have 5 minions, all bleeding for 2, no modifiers. Total bleed for 10.
Now, instead, first plays sup. Dream world, and others (if successful) then bleed for a total of 12, with net gain of 2 more pool (as the first one didn't bleed, and i have no multiact unless block-majesty). But, if the second one is blocked, dream world goes away, and my lunge has failed completely.

I have never played it, but if the others have some insightful tactics, or hints, please, do share! I am willing to learn :)

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08 May 2011 07:44 #4253 by Pendargon
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I have considered putting in uncoiling, but we have a very weenie-free meta at the moment, and nobody is packing scourge of enochians. If i would to take this to some big tournament, 1 uncoiling would definitely be there.

I like hg in this deck. It provides a steady influx of blood to my vampires without having to do anything (like hunt for hungry coyote, or use MPA with lilith's blessing). It proved to be a lifesaver when got early. If it comes later on in the game, it is usually discarded.

More change of targets are needed, but , imho, maybe 1 or 2. Thing is, over here, Princes and 2nd trad's are really popular, and it does kinda take out the oomph outof CoT.

Thanx guys, these advice are really helpfull, keep 'em coming (though no mayor criticism, i am proud of myself ;-))

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13 May 2011 09:11 #4379 by Pendargon
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Played two games, got two game wins, with 8 vp. It is extremely powerful deck, though not to be played in friendly games. Though it makes for the fast games :-D.

I made some changes to the original deck that i posted, so this is what i used :

Crypt: 12
Jost Werner x3
Sheila Mezarin x2
Creamy Jade x1
Ian Wallingford x1
Mercy, Knight inquisitor x1
Remiliard, devout crusader x1
Lolita x1
Nicholas Chang x1
Sabrina x1

Library :

Masters : 15
Hungry coyote x1
Pentex Subversion x2
Lilith's blessing x1
Fetish club hg x1
Anarch troublemaker x2
The Coven x1
wash x2
Sunset strip, Hollywood x1
Palla Grande x4

Reaction x20

WWef x2
Eyes of argus x2
On the Qui vive x4
Telepathic misdirection x8
My enemy's enemy x2
Delaying tactics x2

Actions: 27

Embrace x10
Art scam x5
Mind numb x4
Entrancement x3
Enchant kindred x5

Action modifier : x5

Change of target x5

Combat : 13

Majesty x9
Force of personality x1
Staredown x3

Never really drew Ian Wallingford, but for now he stays, until proven otherwise...
I basically traded one combat ends for another change of target (excellent), and 2 blood dolls for washes (also excellent, made me a vp when washing villein from my predator).
Also, lilith's blessing really has no place, as master phase is often used, and sunset strip, Hollywood might go. If somebody really wants to block your hunt, they are gonna do it, sunset strip or not. I would put in either Jake Washington, or another change of target. Also, i noticed that i discarded mind numbs (only played one of them, and that one went backwards), but i will reserve my judgement on them for a little more play.
Thanx for all the advice , guys!

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