stoschka
01 Apr 2013 01:22 #46446
by Molloy
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Deck Name: stoschka
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Crypt (Capacity min=1 max=7 avg=4.33; 12 cards)
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1x Cassandra Langely, The Waif 2 dem Malkavian:4
1x César Holfield 1 obf Caitiff:4
1x Donald Cargill 1 aus Caitiff:5
1x Florentina Lengauer 4 aus OBF Malkavian:4
1x Johan Wrede 1 tha Caitiff:4
1x Keller Thiel 4 aus dem Malkavian:5
5x Reiner Stoschka 7 obf AUS DEM THA Malkavian:5
1x Sean Rycek 4 aus dem Malkavian:4
Library (90 cards)
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Master (22 cards)
3x Auspex
4x Dementation
1x Giant's Blood
1x Inceptor
1x Lilith's Blessing
3x Obfuscate
4x Thaumaturgy
2x Tribute to the Master
3x Wider View
Event (1 cards)
1x Uncoiling, The
Action (13 cards)
2x Becoming, The
8x Kindred Spirits
1x Revelation of the Sire
2x Rutor's Hand
Action Modifier (23 cards)
4x Cloak the Gathering
6x Eyes of Chaos
2x Faceless Night
3x Lost in Crowds
4x Mirror Walk
4x Spying Mission
Reaction (17 cards)
1x Delaying Tactics
4x On the Qui Vive
6x Telepathic Counter
2x Telepathic Misdirection
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
2x Wrong and Crosswise
Combat (8 cards)
2x Rego Motus
6x Theft of Vitae
Combo (6 cards)
2x Deny
2x Random Patterns
2x Swallowed by the Night
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4a. (Apr 1, 2013 06:20:02)
Author:
Description:
Crypt (Capacity min=1 max=7 avg=4.33; 12 cards)
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1x Cassandra Langely, The Waif 2 dem Malkavian:4
1x César Holfield 1 obf Caitiff:4
1x Donald Cargill 1 aus Caitiff:5
1x Florentina Lengauer 4 aus OBF Malkavian:4
1x Johan Wrede 1 tha Caitiff:4
1x Keller Thiel 4 aus dem Malkavian:5
5x Reiner Stoschka 7 obf AUS DEM THA Malkavian:5
1x Sean Rycek 4 aus dem Malkavian:4
Library (90 cards)
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Master (22 cards)
3x Auspex
4x Dementation
1x Giant's Blood
1x Inceptor
1x Lilith's Blessing
3x Obfuscate
4x Thaumaturgy
2x Tribute to the Master
3x Wider View
Event (1 cards)
1x Uncoiling, The
Action (13 cards)
2x Becoming, The
8x Kindred Spirits
1x Revelation of the Sire
2x Rutor's Hand
Action Modifier (23 cards)
4x Cloak the Gathering
6x Eyes of Chaos
2x Faceless Night
3x Lost in Crowds
4x Mirror Walk
4x Spying Mission
Reaction (17 cards)
1x Delaying Tactics
4x On the Qui Vive
6x Telepathic Counter
2x Telepathic Misdirection
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
2x Wrong and Crosswise
Combat (8 cards)
2x Rego Motus
6x Theft of Vitae
Combo (6 cards)
2x Deny
2x Random Patterns
2x Swallowed by the Night
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4a. (Apr 1, 2013 06:20:02)







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01 Apr 2013 07:04 #46448
by Juggernaut1981




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Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: stoschka
It looks like a LOT of setup to use 10 cards (8 combat). While I also like the look of THA DEM it's hideously impractical and doesn't do things that possibly couldn't be better with more OBF stealth (avoiding the combat instead of surviving the combat).





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01 Apr 2013 07:49 - 01 Apr 2013 07:50 #46451
by Ohlmann
Note that he also use 1-cap minion and hope to give them
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Also, it's 14 thaumaturgy card, since there is Mirror Walk too.
I would use Effective Management directly instead of Wider View. After all, you already have plenty trifle, and minions are pretty small.
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: stoschka
It looks like a LOT of setup to use 10 cards (8 combat). While I also like the look of THA DEM it's hideously impractical and doesn't do things that possibly couldn't be better with more OBF stealth (avoiding the combat instead of surviving the combat).
Note that he also use 1-cap minion and hope to give them


Also, it's 14 thaumaturgy card, since there is Mirror Walk too.
I would use Effective Management directly instead of Wider View. After all, you already have plenty trifle, and minions are pretty small.
Last edit: 01 Apr 2013 07:50 by Ohlmann.
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02 Apr 2013 14:23 #46477
by Molloy
Sabbat. Animals, Wraiths and Zombies Molloy recruits or employs get an additional life.
Replied by Molloy on topic Re: stoschka
"use Effective Management directly instead of Wider View"
With 3 EM I would get to see a total of 7 crypt cards for free, while with WV I get to see the whole crypt unless I run out of Stoschkas. I think probably a mix like 1xEM and 2xWV would be best.
"a LOT of setup to use 10 cards"
The set-up isn't aimed at being able to use the Thaumaturgy cards, it's aimed at turning the low-cap minions into good mid-caps (which includes having Thaumaturgy).
With 3 EM I would get to see a total of 7 crypt cards for free, while with WV I get to see the whole crypt unless I run out of Stoschkas. I think probably a mix like 1xEM and 2xWV would be best.
"a LOT of setup to use 10 cards"
The set-up isn't aimed at being able to use the Thaumaturgy cards, it's aimed at turning the low-cap minions into good mid-caps (which includes having Thaumaturgy).







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02 Apr 2013 14:44 #46478
by kombainas
Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
Replied by kombainas on topic Re: stoschka
Which is exatly 3 at best, as worst case scenario = 4 Staschka's in opening crypt with probability of 7%. You could do the rest of the math yourself
and see that your wider view would save only 2 pool (all included) more, 1 transfer less and half a master slot than a single EM. And Wider view effects do not effectively stack, whereas EM do. I'd go 1 Wider View and 2xEM if I were you, or even better, just a single Wider view and squeeze in a single InfoHighway







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02 Apr 2013 15:13 #46480
by Molloy
Sabbat. Animals, Wraiths and Zombies Molloy recruits or employs get an additional life.
Replied by Molloy on topic Re: stoschka
If my first four cards only have one Stoschka then cycling a WV to gain a pool is not such a disaster, while if my opening crypt has multiple Stoschkas and I play EM only to draw another Stoschka, that's bad.
Doing the math is actually a good suggestion. When I have time, I will.
Doing the math is actually a good suggestion. When I have time, I will.







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