2011 NAC TWD?

RoddimusPrime wrote:

See the subject line.

Essentially I am curious as to what you think the theme will be this year for popular decks/archetypes and what the successful ones will be. What will emerge to the final tables of day one and day two?

And if you are going what are you doing to prep for the above decks?

The Girls and !Ven grinder will inevitably show up. In order to try an counter them, especially the Girls, I'm offering up this deck. What changes would you make to it to make the deck more effective?

1x Neferu 9 OBF SER dom 2 votes, vote special
4x Amenophobis 7 OBF SER dom primogen, serpentis card cycling special, +1 bld vs edge
2x Halim Bey 6 DOM SER obf
1x Black Lotus 5 DOM obf ser
1x Ankh Sen-Sutekh 6 SER obf +1 bld
1x Zhenga 5 SER obf
1x Ahmrose Chambers 3 obf ser
1x Belle Equitone 2 ser

Library: 90 cards

Master: 16
opium den
4x blood doll
pentex subversion
2x Anarch Troublemaker
Barrens
Lilith's Blessing
2x Obfuscate
2x Wider View
2x Dreams of the Sphinx

Actions: 23
6x Revelation of Ecstacy
2x Mesu Bedshet
7x Eternal Mask
2x Enticement
3x Waters of Duat
corruption
2x Govern the Unaligned

Allies: 1
Carlton Van Wyk

Equipment: 2
Mokele Blood
Mummy's Tongue

Events: 1
The Uncoiling

Action Modifiers: 26
8x Revelation of Desire
6x Cloak the Gathering
forgotten labyrinth
2x Spying Mission
2x Faceless Night
2x Lost in Crowds
2x Truth of 1000 Lies
Change of Target
2x Veil the Legions

Combo: 4
2x SbtN
2x Eyes of the Serpent

Combat: 2
2x No Trace

Reactions: 15
5x Deflection
2x Redirection
3x On the Qui Vive
3x Wake with the Evening's Freshness
2x Delaying Tactics

Adonai wrote:

1)

2) Answer as many of these questions in your description as you can:

1. How do you intend to oust?
2. How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
3. What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
4. What do you want your average turn to look like?
5. What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
6. What problems have you observed with the deck in play?

Oust by bleeds. There are 19 +bleed cards and 7 bounce cards, plus 2 enticement.

Keep from being ousted by careful pool management, bounce, and delaying tactics.

I would like to have a copy of Amenophobis, some mid-cap and a weenie vampire. Could afford more, but it will depend on the situation.

Average turn will depend on if there are corrupted minions in play already or not. If so, tap as necessary and try to land 2 solid bleeds. If you use Revelation of Desire, your prey bouncing is much less effective.

The anticipated metagame at the NAC will be all sorts of competitive decks.

When playing FoS in the past, I've had issues of table hate and hand jam. Without dominate, FoS tend to be more fragile than many clans. It will be weak vs combat, but combat isn't usually a tournament winner.

brandonsantacruz wrote:

plus 2 enticement.

Five or more would be better.
Every turn you want a successful bleed or two, then an Enticement for the un-delay-able un-bounce-able pool loss.

Enticement

Requires the Edge.
Burn the Edge to cause your prey to burn 2 pool. (This action is directed at your prey.) Your minions cannot attempt bleed actions for the remainder of the turn.
As above, but your prey burns 3 pool.

Also I am not really sure as to why you are not using presence at all? You don't need nearly all of your guys to have dominate when your using it mainly for bounce, so I would get rid of Black Lotus and Halim Bey and use some better vampires and presence, which is one of the best discplines in the game, really.

Klaital wrote:

Also I am not really sure as to why you are not using presence at all? You don't need nearly all of your guys to have dominate when your using it mainly for bounce, so I would get rid of Black Lotus and Halim Bey and use some better vampires and presence, which is one of the best discplines in the game, really.

I don't think that the presence is necessary. The deck is really based around revelation of desire + revelation of Ecstasy in order to make the Girls' bounce ineffective. Too many of the guys in group 4-5 have inferior presence, if they have it at all. Some of the best ones with presence, like Renenet, have inferior serpentis. I need SER to make the trick work right. I may be able to drop Black Lotus because she doesn't have SER and that would still leave me a good amount of dom/DOM, but I need a cheap FoS. Another Zhenga? She's the cheapest. That or Ankh Sen Sutekh.

As for enticement, that may be a good idea. I won't be bleeding for 5+ every turn, so it would be good to hurt my prey another way instead.

If you want to beat bounce then just do a weenie bleed deck that bleeds lots of times for 2-3 with light stealth, such as DEM weenie.

Klaital wrote:

If you want to beat bounce then just do a weenie bleed deck that bleeds lots of times for 2-3 with light stealth, such as DEM weenie.

I think you missed the point of the deck. It is specifically designed to be able to handle Girls... decks.

Responsible bleed with Revelation of Desire is good in this case (only a bleed for 1 if bounced). Once you have the edge, play Enticement for 3 unbouncable pool damage.
Dominate is in there to have some bounce on your own.
The inclusion of myself helps card flow immensely (trust me B))

I would add a bit more Serpentis fun, like Temptation, Form of Corruption, etc. to give your prey some incentive to not take a lot of blood off of their vampires.

Lastly, Crocodile Temple is a fine card, over the course of the game it is a real pain in the ass for your predator.