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20 Jun 2013 16:18 - 20 Jun 2013 16:19 #50120 by TorranceCircle
Reyda thanks for the input. Yseult will go in, I was too caught up in my story I wrote. It would help protect against any crypt jam that Ohlman mentioned.

Signet of King Saul will also go in. Seems obvious, but sometimes I miss the obvious.

I really had planned to use Voter Cap to gain blood back after playing Virtuosa. You don't think this will work?

I kind of wanted to try Benefit Performance because the blood gain is kind of like a built in bribes. In your experience this hasn't worked?
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22 Jun 2013 12:53 #50175 by Reyda
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You also have siren's lure for unblockable stuff. Virtuosa is costly... I'd rely on it only if there is no way the action would go through ^^
Another problem is delaying tactics : makes you lose 3 blood and you may be forced to hunt afterwards. The combo is cool on the blueprint, but not so easy to manage in game in my experience.

Benefit performance is less good than vote+madrigal. Madrigal gives 2 votes, and gives blood to every vampire that supporte your votes : it's amazing to see all your daughters gain blood during a single action. And it punishes people who vote against you.
Actually it's so good blood gain that I played Madrigal alongside The final nights (underrated vote) & Conductor just to deplete other people's blood. It worked wonder against tupdogs and other weenie decks.
The only way I could understand you don't want to play con boon + madrigal, is because of the card intensiveness. It really depend on your point of view on this :)

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22 Jun 2013 13:39 #50177 by Klaital
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I have played a very similar deck a lot so I can give you some advice...

Crypt:

As already mentioned. Add Yseult, 2x 6 vampires is perfect crypt.

Masters:

Get rid of all the blood dolls, I can assure you that you do not have blood to bloat with these, embraces are expensive. Add second bastille, you want to get it early, coven is also a must, and a jake or two is good also. Pentex will save you from star blockers. Finally, either play uncoiling or couple not to be, as scourge of the enochians destroys you otherwise.

Actions:

Not sure if you really need all those entrancements, especially since Angela and Yseult are only ones with superior presence. I would take out at least a couple.

Political actions:
Get rid of reckless, only one who can even play it is Gael, and you are spending enough blood already to other things. Switch at least half of benefit to con boon, also add some neonate breach and conservative agitation, you don't want a single delaying tactics to shut you down.

Action modifiers:
I would get rid of sirens lure, and at least half the virtuosas, add madrigal and echo of harmonies. Take out one or two caps also, 6 is a bit too many, add half a dozen or so change of targets.

Combat:
remove all of it, and replace with the aforementioned change of targets, and 4 or so member of entourage. That way you can completely avoid combat and make people choke on their red cards.
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22 Jun 2013 20:18 #50211 by ICL
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ICL, do you think member of the entourage would be good or fanfare for the elysium? I wasn't thinking of getting rushed, I was more thinking of getting blocked a lot. Freak Drive would be good with conductor. I have to add some.


To my recollection, which admittedly would be hard to rely upon due to volume of play, I have never had a Daughter blocked when playing a DoC deck. Siren's Lure shuts blocking down, which is why I'm surprised Klaital suggests removing them, though, if you want to play more of a match up game, I suppose I could see it.

If you aren't expecting to get rushed and aren't overloaded on actions, Fanfare would make some sense, but really, it's hard to say when it comes to combat because it is the most metagame dependent element, normally.

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22 Jun 2013 22:31 - 22 Jun 2013 22:36 #50241 by Klaital
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I was suggesting removing siren's lure together with combat, because if you use siren's lure, you also need combat cards as you will get in combat. The package I am suggesting is to make it so you never get in combat. Here is my DoC deck for comparison.

Crypt:
2x Celeste, the Voice of a Secret
2x Muse
2x Delilah Monroe
2x Angela Preston
2x Gael Pilet
2x Yseult

Library: 70

Master: 11
2x Bastille Opera House
3x Conductor
1x Creepshow Casino
2x Not To Be
1x Paris Opera House
1x Pentex Subversion
1x The Coven

Action: 7
7x The Embrace

Action Modifier: 31
6x Change of Target
6x Echo of Harmonies
7x Madrigal
6x The Missing Voice
2x Virtuosa
4x Voter Captivation

Ally: 4
4x Member of the Entourage

Political Action: 17
4x Benefit Performance
1x Consanguineous Boon
1x Conservative Agitation
1x Neonate Breach
4x Kine Resources Contested
6x Lily Prelude
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