(deck) !tor w pro
26 Dec 2013 05:38 #58051
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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(deck) !tor w pro was created by brandonsantacruz
Deck Name: !tor w pro
Author: Brandon Haas
Description: toolbox with a good amount of bleed/bounce.
Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=4 max=9 avg=6.92)
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1x Cristos Mantigo 5 aus cel dom obf pre !Toreador:3
1x Dominique Santo Paulo 6 pot pre AUS CEL !Toreador:4
2x Klaus Konrecht 8 for pot AUS CEL PRE !Toreador:4
2x L'Epuisette 4 aus cel pro !Toreador:4
4x Malabranca 9 obf AUS CEL PRE PRO !Toreador:4
2x Redbone McCray 6 cel pro AUS PRE !Toreador:4
Library (90 cards)
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Master (20)
1x Barrens, The
2x Blood Doll
2x Direct Intervention
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Information Highway
2x Palla Grande
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
8x Protean
2x Sudden Reversal
Action (18)
1x Art Scam
4x Creation Rites
4x Enchant Kindred
2x Entrancement
1x Mind Numb
2x Public Trust
2x Social Charm
2x Zillah's Tears
Political Action (5)
4x Consanguineous Boon
1x Rumors of Gehenna
Equipment (4)
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Gran Madre di Dio, Italy
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ivory Bow
Action Modifier (6)
6x Instantaneous Transformation
Reaction (19)
4x Eyes of Argus
5x On the Qui Vive
8x Telepathic Misdirection
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (14)
10x Form of Mist
4x Majesty
Combo (4)
4x Scalpel Tongue
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (Dec 26, 2013 08:36:13)
Author: Brandon Haas
Description: toolbox with a good amount of bleed/bounce.
Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=4 max=9 avg=6.92)
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1x Cristos Mantigo 5 aus cel dom obf pre !Toreador:3
1x Dominique Santo Paulo 6 pot pre AUS CEL !Toreador:4
2x Klaus Konrecht 8 for pot AUS CEL PRE !Toreador:4
2x L'Epuisette 4 aus cel pro !Toreador:4
4x Malabranca 9 obf AUS CEL PRE PRO !Toreador:4
2x Redbone McCray 6 cel pro AUS PRE !Toreador:4
Library (90 cards)
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Master (20)
1x Barrens, The
2x Blood Doll
2x Direct Intervention
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Information Highway
2x Palla Grande
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
8x Protean
2x Sudden Reversal
Action (18)
1x Art Scam
4x Creation Rites
4x Enchant Kindred
2x Entrancement
1x Mind Numb
2x Public Trust
2x Social Charm
2x Zillah's Tears
Political Action (5)
4x Consanguineous Boon
1x Rumors of Gehenna
Equipment (4)
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Gran Madre di Dio, Italy
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ivory Bow
Action Modifier (6)
6x Instantaneous Transformation
Reaction (19)
4x Eyes of Argus
5x On the Qui Vive
8x Telepathic Misdirection
2x Wake with Evening's Freshness
Combat (14)
10x Form of Mist
4x Majesty
Combo (4)
4x Scalpel Tongue
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (Dec 26, 2013 08:36:13)
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/
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26 Dec 2013 10:31 #58052
by derjudge
Replied by derjudge on topic Re: (deck) !tor w pro
With 20 masters (yes 4 of them are for creation rites as I could understand) your Blood Doll should be Vessel (or Villein!). Only one information highway is not enough (or one too much).
I would change 2 sudden for 2 other pentex subversion.
I would change 2 sudden for 2 other pentex subversion.
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26 Dec 2013 10:38 #58053
by Von_Polack
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Looks interesting, but with those masters, your hand is seriously gonna jam at some point. Lilith's Blessing would solve that issue, but since it's banned, might even try to squeeze the Parthenon in there, just to cycle your masters more efficiently.
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26 Dec 2013 14:50 #58054
by Jeff Kuta
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Replied by Jeff Kuta on topic Re: (deck) !tor w pro
I see your Creation Rites/Con Boon angle, but I think that's a bit too complicated for the !Toreador. They make Embraces and Art Scam even better, though I assume by your library that you only have one Art Scam. :/
Even so, I'd swap that angle out and make room for 10-cap Marthe Dizier since she has CEL/PRE/pro and +1 bleed. Keep the Blood Dolls, but add Villeins with a larger crypt.
-1 Cristos Mantigo
-1 Malabranca
+2 Marthe Dizier
-1 DI
-6 Protean
-1 Sudden Reversal
+2 Palla Grande
+4 Villein
-2 Creation Rites
+4 Embrace
-2 Zillah's Tears
+2 Art Scam (or even Dark Mirror of the Mind)
-4 Con Boon
-1 Rumors of Gehenna
-1 Ivory Bow
-4 Scalpel Tongue
+4 Earth Control
Library now at 84.
Even so, I'd swap that angle out and make room for 10-cap Marthe Dizier since she has CEL/PRE/pro and +1 bleed. Keep the Blood Dolls, but add Villeins with a larger crypt.
-1 Cristos Mantigo
-1 Malabranca
+2 Marthe Dizier
-1 DI
-6 Protean
-1 Sudden Reversal
+2 Palla Grande
+4 Villein
-2 Creation Rites
+4 Embrace
-2 Zillah's Tears
+2 Art Scam (or even Dark Mirror of the Mind)
-4 Con Boon
-1 Rumors of Gehenna
-1 Ivory Bow
-4 Scalpel Tongue
+4 Earth Control
Library now at 84.
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26 Dec 2013 16:26 #58055
by ReverendRevolver
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Looks kinda clunky. Instantaneous transformation seems to be the real reason you run protean. Seems odd. Earth meld > majesty, but due to so many vamps lackimg the now relevant protean, not sure if a switchover is prudent. But, its also costing blood from important fatties to use majesty, so i guess testing would tell. Id run some rapid change (stealth or sce for a blood). The swarm bleex looks like a good angle. Maybe a couple sanguine instructions?
Preaonally, id use Mallabranca with Adana, Jamal, and the unnamed for some brutal cap n tap multiacting with free sce and untap, a touch of intercept, and that sort of thing with obf pre and voting/ bleesing. So, high damage output once you get going, and defense with intercept plus earth meld, and of course a nice pool cusion from tapping and capping, so once he fatties are oit ita just paying to untap unnamed sometimes. And even then, maybe itll already be untapped.....
As is, the decks not bad, just kinda migrates. Id almost use more weenies than midcap, and id go with ondine over the g3 bh !torrie
Preaonally, id use Mallabranca with Adana, Jamal, and the unnamed for some brutal cap n tap multiacting with free sce and untap, a touch of intercept, and that sort of thing with obf pre and voting/ bleesing. So, high damage output once you get going, and defense with intercept plus earth meld, and of course a nice pool cusion from tapping and capping, so once he fatties are oit ita just paying to untap unnamed sometimes. And even then, maybe itll already be untapped.....
As is, the decks not bad, just kinda migrates. Id almost use more weenies than midcap, and id go with ondine over the g3 bh !torrie
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26 Dec 2013 16:32 #58056
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Replied by brandonsantacruz on topic Re: (deck) !tor w pro
For creation rites the Protean skill cards can come from your library, hand, or ash heap. I tried to include a decent amount of cylcling tech (heart, dreams, barrens) to put some of the protean cards away for Creation Rites. Some will need to be played on !toreador without any or superior protean. It is likely to have some jams, but nothing too terrible (I hope).
Defense is simple and efficient (wake, bounce, scalpel tongue), so it shouldn't need as many cards as say intercept combat. Offense relies on some multi-acting by Instantaneous Transformation and Majesty. Creation rites are also good +1 bleeds with Palla Grande. The deck can hopefully look innocuous enough during the building phase (oh look at the cute protean !toreador deck, I always wanted to see if that would work). At some point you lay down a Palla Grande and bleed for 12 with three minions.
Defense is simple and efficient (wake, bounce, scalpel tongue), so it shouldn't need as many cards as say intercept combat. Offense relies on some multi-acting by Instantaneous Transformation and Majesty. Creation rites are also good +1 bleeds with Palla Grande. The deck can hopefully look innocuous enough during the building phase (oh look at the cute protean !toreador deck, I always wanted to see if that would work). At some point you lay down a Palla Grande and bleed for 12 with three minions.
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