White Lily Bleed
22 Feb 2014 02:06 #59301
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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White Lily Bleed was created by brandonsantacruz
Here are the bare bones of a bleed deck I came up with. Fred Scott played a Mask of a Thousand faces deck that caught my attention at the tournaments in LA. The deck was terrible, but the card was interesting. How do you tink I can make this deck more viable while still maintaining the surprise white lily torporing maneuver. Ideas?
Deck Name: White Lily bleed
Author: Brandon Haas
Description:
Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=8 avg=6)
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1x Apache Jones 5 aus for obf DEM !Malkavian:4
1x Jackie 3 DEM !Malkavian:4
1x Midget 3 obf pre DEM !Malkavian:3
1x Persia, The Beautiful Statue 5 aus obf DEM Malkavian:3
1x Tony 6 dom obf AUS DEM Malkavian:3
2x Uncle George 5 aus dom obf DEM !Malkavian:3
5x White Lily 8 cel dom for DEM OBF !Malkavian:4
Library (60 cards)
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Master (11)
1x Archon Investigation
1x Direct Intervention
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Drop Point Network
2x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Slave Auction
4x Wash
Event (1)
1x Scourge of the Enochians
Action (18)
1x Conceal
1x Graverobbing
14x Kindred Spirits
1x Restructure
1x Sibyl's Tongue
Equipment (5)
1x AK-47
1x Flamethrower
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ivory Bow
1x Rowan Ring
Action Modifier (19)
2x Cloak the Gathering
10x Confusion
5x Mask of a Thousand Faces
2x Mind Tricks
Combo (6)
2x Deny
4x Swallowed by the Night
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (Feb 22, 2014 04:59:33)
Deck Name: White Lily bleed
Author: Brandon Haas
Description:
Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=8 avg=6)
============================================
1x Apache Jones 5 aus for obf DEM !Malkavian:4
1x Jackie 3 DEM !Malkavian:4
1x Midget 3 obf pre DEM !Malkavian:3
1x Persia, The Beautiful Statue 5 aus obf DEM Malkavian:3
1x Tony 6 dom obf AUS DEM Malkavian:3
2x Uncle George 5 aus dom obf DEM !Malkavian:3
5x White Lily 8 cel dom for DEM OBF !Malkavian:4
Library (60 cards)
==================
Master (11)
1x Archon Investigation
1x Direct Intervention
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Drop Point Network
2x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Slave Auction
4x Wash
Event (1)
1x Scourge of the Enochians
Action (18)
1x Conceal
1x Graverobbing
14x Kindred Spirits
1x Restructure
1x Sibyl's Tongue
Equipment (5)
1x AK-47
1x Flamethrower
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Ivory Bow
1x Rowan Ring
Action Modifier (19)
2x Cloak the Gathering
10x Confusion
5x Mask of a Thousand Faces
2x Mind Tricks
Combo (6)
2x Deny
4x Swallowed by the Night
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (Feb 22, 2014 04:59:33)
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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22 Feb 2014 06:16 #59309
by Ke.
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2 - 3 disguised weapons?
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22 Feb 2014 10:37 #59318
by a-e
White Lily's special covers that.
You could add few Forced March of Freak Drives for Lily though. Also some rush cards to defend yourself against your predator, like few Hand Contracts maybe.
Marko, Prince of Helsinki
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2 - 3 disguised weapons?
White Lily's special covers that.
You could add few Forced March of Freak Drives for Lily though. Also some rush cards to defend yourself against your predator, like few Hand Contracts maybe.
Marko, Prince of Helsinki
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22 Feb 2014 14:25 #59319
by kombainas
Sabbat. If this vampire's bleed is successful, he laughs manicly and untaps.
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Aren't there a little too many KS? I rarely go more than 10 even in 90-card S&B decks...
Also, who benefits from Cloak the Gathering? Only Jackie lacks obf.
You might want to include a few damage prevention cards as well. It would suck to lose White Lily, and as it is now, even combat at bruising level should disable the deck altogether sooner rather than later. Either you protect Lilly beter (Kevlar West would be nice at least) or make it less dependent on star vampire (more stealth?).
Also, you might want something more significant against bleed and voting. Wrong and Crosswise would seem an interesting choice with your crypt.
Also, who benefits from Cloak the Gathering? Only Jackie lacks obf.
You might want to include a few damage prevention cards as well. It would suck to lose White Lily, and as it is now, even combat at bruising level should disable the deck altogether sooner rather than later. Either you protect Lilly beter (Kevlar West would be nice at least) or make it less dependent on star vampire (more stealth?).
Also, you might want something more significant against bleed and voting. Wrong and Crosswise would seem an interesting choice with your crypt.





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22 Feb 2014 15:28 #59322
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Replied by brandonsantacruz on topic Re: White Lily Bleed
I thought about having defense in the form of Wrong and Crosswise + Delaying Tactics, but I already junked up the offense enough. Offense is the best defense, after all. Hand Contract might be a good idea, but I think I might be able to provoke blocks by bleeding whoever I need to fight with. Once that happens, it is Flamethrower time!
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22 Feb 2014 15:51 #59323
by ReverendRevolver
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Ive ran roughly 6 variants of this. Here are my opinions of your deck based upon those:
Build 1 was as similar to this as ive had, and i ran @75 cards. Same grouping, same support vamps, etc.
I had rumbles, fortitude, and like 2 dis weapons as well.
My vamps were chop liver if any combat was anywhere, i was screwed without enough fortitude to reliably draw, and i many times bled not my prey to gain pool because of this.
Build 2 added morel as a support vamp of multiples of someone else, went to 80, upped fortitude by 2-3 cards like SoS, Sup mettle, aov, and i tested okish in pickup games at biggish tourneys, not so hot locally, chalked it up to good old Nerk Ohio being so combat heavy, and ran this at the NAC. Same "bleed pred for poolgain" issue, had trujah blocking me, and not fortitude when i needed it at one table, then got a vp another game, and got outran by probably malk94 at another.
Said "screw this deck" and ran !malk potence for awhile instead. Got bored/tired of almost winning due to running heroic might over p strength, since i own none, and started rebuilding lily, then LB got banned, so no !malk potence for awhile.
But, i hadnt put away marge yet from that,dexk, and tried her in my new lily build, and got carried away with unmada as well, and some bloating.
Too top heavy, that dexk, and unlike the origional plan.
So, rebuilt, still didnt like, and came up with:
Lily, marge, apache, bela, jackie being my crypt, being able to rush, (i think i run 2 freakdrivesnow) bleed, and limited defense(on Q, dt, i may have one of the bh intercept card)
Anyway, ran ok, not where i wanted it, so i went more for figjt with some agg weapons and one 44, run fortitude prevent, some rush, fame, limited defense, and above all, i am a bleeder, convincing the table that im a toolbox religated to my plan B of bleeding at stealth, and im sure my luck with confusion and deny will run out soon
Then my current build is 85 ish cards, ran smooth when tested, weenie stuff and uber vote or sce alot is the biggest issue(oh, and probably massive bleex reduction, but never ran into with this, only the potence ks deck.)
So, maybe fortitude prevent unless you get real lucky, and also maybe the dem stealth that costs a blod and gives a manuever.
14 is ok for 60-65 cards, id run 13 at lowest, 16-17 is logical in fatter decks.
Any kimd of malk bnb ive probably tried at leqst once by now, and this is one of the 3-4 most consistantly capable of succeeding ones.
Build 1 was as similar to this as ive had, and i ran @75 cards. Same grouping, same support vamps, etc.
I had rumbles, fortitude, and like 2 dis weapons as well.
My vamps were chop liver if any combat was anywhere, i was screwed without enough fortitude to reliably draw, and i many times bled not my prey to gain pool because of this.
Build 2 added morel as a support vamp of multiples of someone else, went to 80, upped fortitude by 2-3 cards like SoS, Sup mettle, aov, and i tested okish in pickup games at biggish tourneys, not so hot locally, chalked it up to good old Nerk Ohio being so combat heavy, and ran this at the NAC. Same "bleed pred for poolgain" issue, had trujah blocking me, and not fortitude when i needed it at one table, then got a vp another game, and got outran by probably malk94 at another.
Said "screw this deck" and ran !malk potence for awhile instead. Got bored/tired of almost winning due to running heroic might over p strength, since i own none, and started rebuilding lily, then LB got banned, so no !malk potence for awhile.
But, i hadnt put away marge yet from that,dexk, and tried her in my new lily build, and got carried away with unmada as well, and some bloating.
Too top heavy, that dexk, and unlike the origional plan.
So, rebuilt, still didnt like, and came up with:
Lily, marge, apache, bela, jackie being my crypt, being able to rush, (i think i run 2 freakdrivesnow) bleed, and limited defense(on Q, dt, i may have one of the bh intercept card)
Anyway, ran ok, not where i wanted it, so i went more for figjt with some agg weapons and one 44, run fortitude prevent, some rush, fame, limited defense, and above all, i am a bleeder, convincing the table that im a toolbox religated to my plan B of bleeding at stealth, and im sure my luck with confusion and deny will run out soon

Then my current build is 85 ish cards, ran smooth when tested, weenie stuff and uber vote or sce alot is the biggest issue(oh, and probably massive bleex reduction, but never ran into with this, only the potence ks deck.)
So, maybe fortitude prevent unless you get real lucky, and also maybe the dem stealth that costs a blod and gives a manuever.
14 is ok for 60-65 cards, id run 13 at lowest, 16-17 is logical in fatter decks.
Any kimd of malk bnb ive probably tried at leqst once by now, and this is one of the 3-4 most consistantly capable of succeeding ones.
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