Praise the Sun

The basics are solid here: Muaziz says leave me alone or die

Depends on meta. Immortal Grapple completely shuts the combat down and there are no reliable maneuvering here (1 permamaneuver + 2 Bumrushes). More often than not, if there's potence, there are IGs in abundance. I'd think something to counter it.

In general this concept looks solid enough, except I'd remove some of the toys which do not really seem needed here.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

outferior flames of the netherworld

oof, I can't recommend that card at all. you might as well play Taste of Death with Assamites...

alek wrote:

Crypt is weird for me as well. If you don't use fortitude what is Ulugh Beg for? He is very weak vamipre for the 10cap. Lydia is very weak as weel being 6cap with no superior disciplines. On the other hand you are missing Aisling. One of the best midcap tremeres have to offer. Also Astrid Thomas and Justine are no brainers if you want to play govern superior. Speaking of which I would definitelly add some more governs.
Apart from that, as you said there is too much cards here

Ulugh Beg - two discard phase actions so i can get rid of the extra crap i put in! honest, that's the only reason i swapped out Justine for 3 copies of him.
Lydia - like i said you don't really need superior disciplines in this deck. so the +1 bleed is worth her cost.
Aisling - don't remember why she's missing. Merrill Molitor is better in every way, unless you're planning on using more superior auspex.

at the time I could use Lillith's Blessing to ensure i get superior dominate on someone and govern down the weenie chain, but that got banned and now another plan is needed. that's why i haven't been inspired to rebuild this yet.

this thread is meant not as "I need advice" but more like "I give this up for adoption." I think it's a fun Tremere concept, and better than the usual Walk of Flame style that people always give to newbies. But to those newbies, I offer this little exercise of figuring out which unnecessary crap needs to be cut out

kombainas wrote:

The basics are solid here: Muaziz says leave me alone or die

Depends on meta. Immortal Grapple completely shuts the combat down and there are no reliable maneuvering here (1 permamaneuver + 2 Bumrushes). More often than not, if there's potence, there are IGs in abundance. I'd think something to counter it.

In general this concept looks solid enough, except I'd remove some of the toys which do not really seem needed here.

You must not have had the threat of Muaziz enforced upon you then. It's a threatening board presence to those familiar with fortitude Tremere + Muaziz. All your IGs mean nothing in the face of Dawn Op + Weather Control (Skin of Night, Jua Vema FTW!). I've learned fast to let it hand jam than interfere with those actions.

As a bluff for this deck, it's one of the best to hide behind. Like mimicking a coral snake, it is.

Azel wrote:

kombainas wrote:

The basics are solid here: Muaziz says leave me alone or die

Depends on meta. Immortal Grapple completely shuts the combat down and there are no reliable maneuvering here (1 permamaneuver + 2 Bumrushes). More often than not, if there's potence, there are IGs in abundance. I'd think something to counter it.

In general this concept looks solid enough, except I'd remove some of the toys which do not really seem needed here.

You must not have had the threat of Muaziz enforced upon you then. It's a threatening board presence to those familiar with fortitude Tremere + Muaziz. All your IGs mean nothing in the face of Dawn Op + Weather Control (Skin of Night, Jua Vema FTW!). I've learned fast to let it hand jam than interfere with those actions.

As a bluff for this deck, it's one of the best to hide behind. Like mimicking a coral snake, it is.

Yea, with my agy ep

Azel wrote:

kombainas wrote:

The basics are solid here: Muaziz says leave me alone or die

Depends on meta. Immortal Grapple completely shuts the combat down and there are no reliable maneuvering here (1 permamaneuver + 2 Bumrushes). More often than not, if there's potence, there are IGs in abundance. I'd think something to counter it.

In general this concept looks solid enough, except I'd remove some of the toys which do not really seem needed here.

You must not have had the threat of Muaziz enforced upon you then. It's a threatening board presence to those familiar with fortitude Tremere + Muaziz. All your IGs mean nothing in the face of Dawn Op + Weather Control (Skin of Night, Jua Vema FTW!). I've learned fast to let it hand jam than interfere with those actions.

As a bluff for this deck, it's one of the best to hide behind. Like mimicking a coral snake, it is.

Yea, with my agg repair deck, ive done that early game, Lucinde governs down, my asshat prey blocks ot (its my predators problem, not his, im gonna get 3 vamps regardless, whats he care how much is my pool?) Bear in mind, id discarded a weathr conrol turn one, and had just gotten a repair the undead flesh, and freak drove, explaining to him what the barely played RtUF does, whe. He blocked my superior govern. I played dawn op at INFERIOR strongly urging a decline. He was stubborn. Block suceeds, pre range weather control, we each take 1 umpreventable agg and suck it, but i heal, oh, and Amaranth. Topdeck freak drige, bleed with inf bonding just out of spite. He NEVER blocked an undirected action the rest of the game from me. Not that he lasted too long.....

Sometimes you need to threaten, sometimez you need to eat a 7 cap, then say "your vp is to the left, im not gonna be bleeding for awhile, i want free minions, dont be dumb."

Now, at a regional qualifier in DC (when those were needed) in like 2009, i had a muaziz, burst, fortitude deck as my prey. Lots of threats my way, but i was playing Anson guns, so i looked to be a perfect "buddy predator"(picture the alien from Predator dressed like Buddy Holly ) and Muaziz ate my grandprey. My aggro predator was getting caught with 2nd trads and catching bullets with his minions faces, so i flowed into three sideslips before going forward. Turns out, psyche, dodge, and prevent ivory bow are pretty awesome against this deck.