Basic Tremere
13 May 2014 20:11 #62327
by delangen
Basic Tremere was created by delangen
Hi was wondering if anyone had some thoughts on my basic (pre-Bloodlines) basic Tremere deck? :
My meta-game is combat heavy. And not much card access post bloodlines.
Deck Name:
Author: delangen
Description:
Thaum/auspex
Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=1 max=7 avg=3.85)
===============================================
1x Aisling Sturbridge 5 dom AUS THA Tremere:2
1x Blythe Candeleria 3 aus THA Tremere:2
1x Dr. John Casey 3 aus tha Tremere:1
1x Ignatius 4 aus dom tha Tremere:1
1x Jing Wei 3 dom tha Tremere:1
1x Lydia Van Cuelen 6 aus dom pre tha Tremere:1
1x Magdelena Schaefer 2 THA Caitiff:2
1x Merrill Molitor 5 aus dom THA Tremere:1
1x Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg 7 aus dom for THA Tremere:2
1x Roreca Quaid 2 tha Tremere:1
1x Sabine Lafitte 5 aus dom pot tha Tremere:1
1x Sarah Cobbler 4 dom THA Tremere:1
1x Smudge the Ignored 1 Caitiff:1
Library (90 cards)
==================
Master (21)
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
2x Auspex
4x Blood Doll
1x Chantry
1x Diamond Thunderbolt, The
1x Direct Intervention
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Mob Connections
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Sudden Reversal
2x Thaumaturgy
1x Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
Action (10)
3x Cryptic Mission
1x Ecstatic Agony
1x Pulse of the Canaille
1x Revelation of the Sire
1x Revelations
2x Rutor's Hand
1x Seeds of Corruption
Political Action (3)
1x Praxis Seizure: Barcelona
1x Rumors of Gehenna
1x Tremere Justicar
Equipment (6)
1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
1x Camera Phone
1x Catacombs
1x Hawg
1x IR Goggles
1x Palatial Estate
Ally (1)
1x Thadius Zho, Mage
Retainer (1)
1x Charnas the Imp
Reaction (14)
3x Enhanced Senses
2x Fast Reaction
4x Forced Awakening
1x My Enemy's Enemy
2x Spirit's Touch
2x Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (34)
4x Apportation
5x Aura Reading
1x Drain Essence
4x Taste of Vitae
6x Theft of Vitae
6x Trap
2x Walk of Flame
6x Weather Control
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (May 14, 2014 01:12:22)
Not sure if hawg and mob connecitons is too much... lota press all ready with traps/apportation? But I like permanents!!
Thank you kindly
My meta-game is combat heavy. And not much card access post bloodlines.
Deck Name:
Author: delangen
Description:
Thaum/auspex
Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=1 max=7 avg=3.85)
===============================================
1x Aisling Sturbridge 5 dom AUS THA Tremere:2
1x Blythe Candeleria 3 aus THA Tremere:2
1x Dr. John Casey 3 aus tha Tremere:1
1x Ignatius 4 aus dom tha Tremere:1
1x Jing Wei 3 dom tha Tremere:1
1x Lydia Van Cuelen 6 aus dom pre tha Tremere:1
1x Magdelena Schaefer 2 THA Caitiff:2
1x Merrill Molitor 5 aus dom THA Tremere:1
1x Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg 7 aus dom for THA Tremere:2
1x Roreca Quaid 2 tha Tremere:1
1x Sabine Lafitte 5 aus dom pot tha Tremere:1
1x Sarah Cobbler 4 dom THA Tremere:1
1x Smudge the Ignored 1 Caitiff:1
Library (90 cards)
==================
Master (21)
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
2x Auspex
4x Blood Doll
1x Chantry
1x Diamond Thunderbolt, The
1x Direct Intervention
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Mob Connections
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Sudden Reversal
2x Thaumaturgy
1x Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
Action (10)
3x Cryptic Mission
1x Ecstatic Agony
1x Pulse of the Canaille
1x Revelation of the Sire
1x Revelations
2x Rutor's Hand
1x Seeds of Corruption
Political Action (3)
1x Praxis Seizure: Barcelona
1x Rumors of Gehenna
1x Tremere Justicar
Equipment (6)
1x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The
1x Camera Phone
1x Catacombs
1x Hawg
1x IR Goggles
1x Palatial Estate
Ally (1)
1x Thadius Zho, Mage
Retainer (1)
1x Charnas the Imp
Reaction (14)
3x Enhanced Senses
2x Fast Reaction
4x Forced Awakening
1x My Enemy's Enemy
2x Spirit's Touch
2x Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (34)
4x Apportation
5x Aura Reading
1x Drain Essence
4x Taste of Vitae
6x Theft of Vitae
6x Trap
2x Walk of Flame
6x Weather Control
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (May 14, 2014 01:12:22)
Not sure if hawg and mob connecitons is too much... lota press all ready with traps/apportation? But I like permanents!!
Thank you kindly





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14 May 2014 01:15 - 14 May 2014 01:23 #62333
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic Re: Basic Tremere
What are your requirements exactly? The basic Tremere intercept/second round combat already sucked in Jyhad, and it didn't improve with time.
There is not enough
in that group for a blocker deck. The standard Gr 2/3 Carna crypt is much better for this. Gr 1/2 make a good weenie 
with a mix of Cryptic Mission and bleed, but that might not work without Mirror Walk.
In a combat-heavy meta, I would play 12 Theft of Vitae at least and forget about second round: you should already be happy to survive the first one. Maybe a couple of Walk of Flame to punish opposing presses, but that's it.
There is not enough



In a combat-heavy meta, I would play 12 Theft of Vitae at least and forget about second round: you should already be happy to survive the first one. Maybe a couple of Walk of Flame to punish opposing presses, but that's it.
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14 May 2014 02:40 #62334
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Replied by Jeff Kuta on topic Re: Basic Tremere
It would help if others knew your deck design goals to provide appropriate feedback.
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14 May 2014 02:45 - 14 May 2014 02:53 #62335
by Dorrinal
Replied by Dorrinal on topic Re: Basic Tremere
I'm not sure Tremere is the right choice for a "combat heavy" metagame. I would suggest Ulugh Beg, Cardano, and Obedience instead. That'll teach 'em. 
ETA: Since you are playing in a pre-Bloodlines metagame, take a look at Xian's old newsletters found on this page: www.thelasombra.com/ClanPages/tremere/index.htm. I found them invaluable when learning the clan.

ETA: Since you are playing in a pre-Bloodlines metagame, take a look at Xian's old newsletters found on this page: www.thelasombra.com/ClanPages/tremere/index.htm. I found them invaluable when learning the clan.

Last edit: 14 May 2014 02:53 by Dorrinal.
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14 May 2014 06:50 - 14 May 2014 06:56 #62347
by delangen
Replied by delangen on topic Re: Basic Tremere
Thanks
1. How do you intend to oust?
Slowly inconspicously. small bleeds of 1 or 2 usually go through with threat of the 1 unpreventable weather control plus theft of vitae.
2. How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Combination of small pool generation (blood doll/hunting ground(s)/austria), blocking of major bleeds or votes also having only small-mid cap vampires gives a little cushion of pool.
3. What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
Four vampires minimum with one or two crypt lungers ready late game or to pop up to replace the usual fallen.
4. What do you want your average turn to look like?
Small bleeds for one with low blood vampires or some other action with half of my ready and able "ready region" minions...not sure rounded up or down... I guess will vary in play.
5. What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
Usually above average combat. Main problems in my meatgame are combat ends, damage prevention and bleed bounce... hence the weather control/theft of vitae and fast reaction even the one direct intervention, plus the small bleeds frustrate those bouncing bettys.
6. What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Alot of sleepy torpor time... chantry and catacombs for that maybe a humanitas to add?
Stealth is a problem when needed, usually just suck up the attack and lose the minion... couple of mirror walks would be nice but "not in the cards so to say"
I all ready changed a few things just by looknig at this post... like removing ankara and praxis barcelona and definatley needed more reaction so added some.
Thanks in advance
PS: Can'T go large vampires (ulugh,cardano etc..) since no villein or zillah'S valley would need to rely on minion taps and my meta would almost oust me before I get a couple of fatties out
Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=1 max=7 avg=3.85)
===============================================
1x Aisling Sturbridge 5 dom AUS THA Tremere:2
1x Blythe Candeleria 3 aus THA Tremere:2
1x Dr. John Casey 3 aus tha Tremere:1
1x Ignatius 4 aus dom tha Tremere:1
1x Jing Wei 3 dom tha Tremere:1
1x Lydia Van Cuelen 6 aus dom pre tha Tremere:1
1x Magdelena Schaefer 2 THA Caitiff:2
1x Merrill Molitor 5 aus dom THA Tremere:1
1x Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg 7 aus dom for THA Tremere:2
1x Roreca Quaid 2 tha Tremere:1
1x Sabine Lafitte 5 aus dom pot tha Tremere:1
1x Sarah Cobbler 4 dom THA Tremere:1
1x Smudge the Ignored 1 Caitiff:1
Library (87 cards)
==================
Master (22)
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
2x Auspex
4x Blood Doll
1x Chantry
1x Diamond Thunderbolt, The
1x Direct Intervention
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Humanitas
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Mob Connections
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Sudden Reversal
2x Thaumaturgy
1x Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
Action (8)
2x Cryptic Mission
1x Ecstatic Agony
1x Pulse of the Canaille
1x Revelation of the Sire
1x Revelations
1x Rutor's Hand
1x Seeds of Corruption
Political Action (1)
1x Tremere Justicar
Equipment (5)
1x Camera Phone
1x Catacombs
1x Hawg
1x IR Goggles
1x Palatial Estate
Ally (1)
1x Thadius Zho, Mage
Retainer (1)
1x Charnas the Imp
Reaction (16)
4x Enhanced Senses
2x Fast Reaction
4x Forced Awakening
1x My Enemy's Enemy
3x Spirit's Touch
2x Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (33)
4x Apportation
4x Aura Reading
1x Drain Essence
4x Taste of Vitae
6x Theft of Vitae
6x Trap
2x Walk of Flame
6x Weather Control
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (May 14, 2014 12:01:38)
1. How do you intend to oust?
Slowly inconspicously. small bleeds of 1 or 2 usually go through with threat of the 1 unpreventable weather control plus theft of vitae.
2. How do you intend to keep from being ousted?
Combination of small pool generation (blood doll/hunting ground(s)/austria), blocking of major bleeds or votes also having only small-mid cap vampires gives a little cushion of pool.
3. What do you want your ready region to look like (ie, how many guys are you planning on getting out)?
Four vampires minimum with one or two crypt lungers ready late game or to pop up to replace the usual fallen.
4. What do you want your average turn to look like?
Small bleeds for one with low blood vampires or some other action with half of my ready and able "ready region" minions...not sure rounded up or down... I guess will vary in play.
5. What's your metagame like? How do your opponents play?
Usually above average combat. Main problems in my meatgame are combat ends, damage prevention and bleed bounce... hence the weather control/theft of vitae and fast reaction even the one direct intervention, plus the small bleeds frustrate those bouncing bettys.
6. What problems have you observed with the deck in play?
Alot of sleepy torpor time... chantry and catacombs for that maybe a humanitas to add?
Stealth is a problem when needed, usually just suck up the attack and lose the minion... couple of mirror walks would be nice but "not in the cards so to say"
I all ready changed a few things just by looknig at this post... like removing ankara and praxis barcelona and definatley needed more reaction so added some.
Thanks in advance
PS: Can'T go large vampires (ulugh,cardano etc..) since no villein or zillah'S valley would need to rely on minion taps and my meta would almost oust me before I get a couple of fatties out
Crypt (13 cards; Capacity min=1 max=7 avg=3.85)
===============================================
1x Aisling Sturbridge 5 dom AUS THA Tremere:2
1x Blythe Candeleria 3 aus THA Tremere:2
1x Dr. John Casey 3 aus tha Tremere:1
1x Ignatius 4 aus dom tha Tremere:1
1x Jing Wei 3 dom tha Tremere:1
1x Lydia Van Cuelen 6 aus dom pre tha Tremere:1
1x Magdelena Schaefer 2 THA Caitiff:2
1x Merrill Molitor 5 aus dom THA Tremere:1
1x Muaziz, Archon of Ulugh Beg 7 aus dom for THA Tremere:2
1x Roreca Quaid 2 tha Tremere:1
1x Sabine Lafitte 5 aus dom pot tha Tremere:1
1x Sarah Cobbler 4 dom THA Tremere:1
1x Smudge the Ignored 1 Caitiff:1
Library (87 cards)
==================
Master (22)
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
2x Auspex
4x Blood Doll
1x Chantry
1x Diamond Thunderbolt, The
1x Direct Intervention
1x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Humanitas
1x KRCG News Radio
1x Mob Connections
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Sudden Reversal
2x Thaumaturgy
1x Wasserschloss Anif, Austria
Action (8)
2x Cryptic Mission
1x Ecstatic Agony
1x Pulse of the Canaille
1x Revelation of the Sire
1x Revelations
1x Rutor's Hand
1x Seeds of Corruption
Political Action (1)
1x Tremere Justicar
Equipment (5)
1x Camera Phone
1x Catacombs
1x Hawg
1x IR Goggles
1x Palatial Estate
Ally (1)
1x Thadius Zho, Mage
Retainer (1)
1x Charnas the Imp
Reaction (16)
4x Enhanced Senses
2x Fast Reaction
4x Forced Awakening
1x My Enemy's Enemy
3x Spirit's Touch
2x Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (33)
4x Apportation
4x Aura Reading
1x Drain Essence
4x Taste of Vitae
6x Theft of Vitae
6x Trap
2x Walk of Flame
6x Weather Control
Created with Secret Library v0.9.4b. (May 14, 2014 12:01:38)





Last edit: 14 May 2014 06:56 by delangen.
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14 May 2014 08:53 #62353
by alek
as for the deck I would remove a lot of one-of cards. Looks more like a bunch of cards that can be played by tremere. F.e:
diamond thunderbold, golconda (you have no vampire with cap 8+!), all actions card, political cards, thadius, drain essence.
Generall there is a lot of strange cards here which should be changed for already proven ones. Tremere decks that had most successes in history are usually based on strong ousting potentiall (govern the unaligned, bondings, conditionings), very good defense mechanisms (auspex intercepts, auspex + dominate bleed bounces) and light thaumaturgy combat (mostly based on theft of vitae and apportation). If you have some magic of the smiths it's usuallt very good to add strong equipmnet module (f.e. ivory bow, bowl of convergence, ir googless, sniper rifle, etc.). Add some staple master cards to the mix (like blood dolls, directs, suddens, chantry, arcane library, pentex) and you have very good tremere deck
Replied by alek on topic Re: Basic Tremere
PS: Can'T go large vampires (ulugh,cardano etc..) since no villein or zillah'S valley would need to rely on minion taps and my meta would almost oust me before I get a couple of fatties out
this seems opposite of each other. Combat heavy decks are usually the slowest ones when talking about ousting.My meta-game is combat heavy.
as for the deck I would remove a lot of one-of cards. Looks more like a bunch of cards that can be played by tremere. F.e:
diamond thunderbold, golconda (you have no vampire with cap 8+!), all actions card, political cards, thadius, drain essence.
Generall there is a lot of strange cards here which should be changed for already proven ones. Tremere decks that had most successes in history are usually based on strong ousting potentiall (govern the unaligned, bondings, conditionings), very good defense mechanisms (auspex intercepts, auspex + dominate bleed bounces) and light thaumaturgy combat (mostly based on theft of vitae and apportation). If you have some magic of the smiths it's usuallt very good to add strong equipmnet module (f.e. ivory bow, bowl of convergence, ir googless, sniper rifle, etc.). Add some staple master cards to the mix (like blood dolls, directs, suddens, chantry, arcane library, pentex) and you have very good tremere deck
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