file Toreador gun deck

09 Nov 2014 23:44 #67324 by ReverendRevolver
Psyche. You can go as low as 6 and not worry much.

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10 Nov 2014 16:25 - 10 Nov 2014 16:43 #67338 by schabowski
Replied by schabowski on topic Re: Toreador gun deck
I'm not sure about reducimg the Psyche-cards.

My deck needs:
- cycling cards especially at he beginning in order to get Concealed Weapon and the guns.
- pool gain, especially to be able to buy the guns
- combat, guns, long range, additional strikes or new combat, cancellinag combat ends
- ousting power
- block actions

When I look at this list, the following cards are candidates for cutting:
- Pentex
- Resist Earth's Grasp

What do you think?
Last edit: 10 Nov 2014 16:43 by schabowski.

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10 Nov 2014 19:59 #67339 by ReverendRevolver
Ive never ran resist earths grasp in a,Cel guns deck that I played in real envirnments (i think ive included it twice in decks I hated and dismantled) . Its stealth you dont need 90% of the time, and a manuever you have from pursuit or a press you have from psyche. Also, costs a blood. As a rule, Ive opted to onpy spend blood on 3 things in celerity guns:
More, often unexpected bleed
Bounce
2 additional strikes

So, resist ma be on the chopping block. Pentex is really good. I run fewer Psyches, but most Cel guns decks I use only set up like you want whe. i get screwed into running my B-Team. You want to spend 15 pool on 3-4 minions, strap them with 6-8 pool in guns, and farm some blood back as pool with your tastes WHILE playing yoir early and midgame as a cockroach with lunge potwntial, then take 2 ousts in the 3 way.

So, pentex seems costly when added in, but ots too good to ignore. Dreams cycles or gets acceleration.

Doing combat and blocking is what you HAVE to do, oust power youve added some, and testing will tell you if heart of the city would be better as one of the 4 1 BLOOD bleed at +2 bleed actions presence offers.

Id say ReG goes, then test some. To suceed, I see a ready region of 3 armed vamps, and some attrition with maybe opotunistic lunges. If you feel you neex more blocking, decide what you draw too much of. If you always have a psyche or 3 when you need blur or pursuit, switch, and that kind of thing.

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16 Nov 2014 10:06 #67446 by schabowski
Replied by schabowski on topic Re: Toreador gun deck
Ok, I cut Resist Earth's Grasp.

New deck-list:

Vampires (12):
2 Sarah Brando, cap 3, CEL
2 Victor Revell, Loyalist, cap 5, aus, CEL, pre
2 Felicia Mostrom, cap 5, AUS, CEL, pre
2 Rigby, Crusade Vanguard, cap 5, aus, CEL, PRE
1 Kallista, Master Sculptor, cap 6, AUS, CEL, pre
2 Greta Kircher, cap 7, AUS, CEL, PRE
1 Jessica, cap 7, AUS, CEL, PRE

Library (90):
Master Cards (15):
5 Blood Doll
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Fame
2 Haven Uncovered
1 Pentex(TM) Subversion
1 Powerbase Montreal
1 Rack, The
1 Smiling Jack, the Anarch
1 Tension in the Ranks

Action Cards (10):
1 Abbot
5 Bum's Rush
2 Entrancement
2 Heart of the City

Combat Cards (33):
3 Blur
6 Concealed Weapon
8 Psyche!
8 Pursuit
3 Sideslip
5 Taste of Vitae

Reaction Cards (22):
2 Eagle's Sight
2 Enhanced Senses
5 Eyes of Argus
1 My Enemy's Enemy
4 On the Qui Vive
3 Quicken Sight
5 Telepathic Misdirection

Action Modifier(2):
2 Aire of Elation

Equipments(8):
7 44 Magnum
1 Bowl of Convergence

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12 Oct 2017 19:09 #83840 by schabowski
Replied by schabowski on topic Re: Toreador gun deck
The deck list "Torki dla Olki" of "Tomasz Izydorczyk" looks very interesting.
It was very successful in the years 2012 and 2013.

His deck list is the following:

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=10 avg=7.42)
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3x Anneke 10 dom AUS CEL PRE Toreador:1
1x Dorian Strack 4 cel AUS Toreador:1
1x Felicia Mostrom 5 pre AUS CEL Toreador:1
2x François Villon 10 chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE Toreador:2
1x Isabel de Leon 3 AUS Toreador:2
3x Marcellus 8 pro AUS CEL Toreador:2
1x Zöe 3 cel obf AUS Malkavian:2

Library (89 cards)
==================
Master (18)
1x Art Museum
2x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
2x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Rack, The
2x Vessel
5x Villein
1x Wider View

Political Action (3)
3x Parity Shift

Equipment (7)
7x .44 Magnum

Reaction (32)
2x Enhanced Senses
8x Eyes of Argus
2x My Enemy's Enemy
2x On the Qui Vive
1x Quicken Sight
11x Second Tradition: Domain
6x Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (29)
4x Blur
6x Concealed Weapon
5x Psyche!
5x Pursuit
5x Side Strike
4x Taste of Vitae

I did some modifications.
My actual list looks like this:

Crypt (12 cards; Capacity min=3 max=10 avg=7.42)
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3x Anneke 10 dom AUS CEL PRE Toreador:1
1x Dorian Strack 4 cel AUS Toreador:1
1x Felicia Mostrom 5 pre AUS CEL Toreador:1
2x François Villon 10 chi obf pot AUS CEL PRE Toreador:2
1x Isabel de Leon 3 AUS Toreador:2
3x Marcellus 8 pro AUS CEL Toreador:2
1x Zöe 3 cel obf AUS Malkavian:2

Library (90 cards)
==================
Master (18)
1x Art Museum
1x Barrens, The
1x Direct Intervention
2x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Rack, The
1x Smiling Jack, The Anarch
2x Vessel
5x Villein
1x Wider View

Event (1)
1x Dragonbound

Political Action (2)
2x Parity Shift

Equipment (8)
7x .44 Magnum
1x Bowl of Convergence

Ally (1)
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)

Reaction (30)
2x Enhanced Senses
6x Eyes of Argus
2x My Enemy's Enemy
2x On the Qui Vive
2x Quicken Sight
10x Second Tradition: Domain
6x Telepathic Misdirection

Combat (30)
4x Blur
6x Concealed Weapon
4x Psyche!
6x Pursuit
4x Side Strike
2x Sideslip
4x Taste of Vitae

I only have 7 guns in 90 cards. To feel safer, I added Barrens and Sideslip.
Smiling Jack is for more ousting power, but maybe he is not needed.
I also added Dragonbound, Carlton van Wyk and Bowl of Convergence.
Maybe I should also add 1 Haven Uncovered ?
Now I have 3 less untap cards compared to the deck list of Tomasz, maybe now there are not enough untap cards ?
What do you think ?
Thank you for your help. :-)

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13 Oct 2017 14:26 - 13 Oct 2017 14:27 #83848 by ReverendRevolver
I worry about several things:

1. Ousting..... You're almost committed solely to living to the 3 way and getting the table. Small things, such as fame/tension and Aire of Elation could help.

2. You're very top heavy with Anneke and Villon. I like more minions that don't cost so much, so you can take some animalism combat and not hit torpor.(villeins have to happen, refilling isn't easy). I'd consider Volker. He can only block with second trad, but he's a 5 cap prince with CEL.

You want Anneke which I get, so look at other Anneke centric decks to get a feel for reaction ratios because....

3. I feel like your reaction package is super high, and I get Anneke is your star, but you're running 30 reaction and no eagles sight. So, pentex/sense dep/ whatever and you can't stop that grand predator from getting Heroic might/preturnatural strength on count Germaine. Or turbo nergal calling the great beast. You get the idea. The deck is about control, so it plays alot like a Carna/Anatole/Mattias "permission" deck, not as cut and dry as most Cel Guns, but like a hybrid of the 2.

Hope I've helped.
Last edit: 13 Oct 2017 14:27 by ReverendRevolver.

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