Black Hand Starter Display Bashing

i recently received a black hand starter display and have decided to bash the decks to get the most out of them and generate spares for improving/creating other decks(great to have a wide selection to present to new recruits)

i have noted a few problems with the below guide however

some cards are listed more than they exist. Vox for example. crusade chicargo being another.

Only 80 cards per deck, 90 cards is ideal me thinks for most decks.

if someone could revise the quoted text for 90 cards with no errors that would be amazing.




www.thelasombra.com/dbc/bhsdcr.htm

Atom Weaver's Deck Bashing Challenge

Modified!

If you were given 8 Black Hand starter decks (2 of each), what approach would you use to build the best 4 decks (1 for each of the clans) for competition against each other?

I would start with the idea that each deck should be able to interact well with the others, with as many cards playable as quickly as possible, avoiding situations that require special setup and vampires that aren't included in the starters. I've put 3 Blood Dolls and a Short-Term Investment in each deck, so that each of the four new players can learn the value of the two different methods of pool gain. As these are intended for newer players, the games will be a bit longer and have more turns, so the slow regain of Short-Term Investment will be acceptable.

These are the cards you would have to build from.

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Crypt [96 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 10 average: 6.39583

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2x Ayelea, The Manipulator 10 AUS DOM OBT THA pre !Tremere:2 cardinal
2x Cailean 10 ANI OBF POT PRE dom !Nosferatu:2 archbishop
2x Hannibal 10 AUS DEM OBF cel dom !Malkavian:2 cardinal
2x Matteus, Flesh Sculptor 10 AUS CEL PRE VIC !Toreador:2 priscus
2x Yong-Sun, Harmonis 10 ANI OBF POT THA aus !Nosferatu:2 cardinal
2x Aristotle de Laurent 9 AUS DEM OBF PRE pot !Malkavian:3
2x Donatien 9 AUS PRE cel pot !Toreador:2 cardinal
2x Imogen 9 AUS DEM obf pro vic !Malkavian:2 archbishop
2x Calebos 8 ANI OBF POT cel !Nosferatu:2 bishop
2x Ian Forestal 8 AUS DOM THA !Tremere:2
2x Kij Dansky 8 AUS DOM THA obt !Tremere:2 priscus
2x Lachlan, Noddist 8 AUS CEL PRE dom !Toreador:2 archbishop
2x Miller Delmardigan 8 CEL PRE aus pro !Toreador:2 bishop
2x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani !Toreador:3 priscus
2x Virgil 8 AUS DEM OBF cel !Malkavian:2 bishop
2x Beast, The Leatherface 7 OBF POT ani cel !Nosferatu:2
2x Bryan Van Duesen 7 DOM THA aus pre !Tremere:2
2x Greta Kircher 7 AUS CEL PRE obf !Toreador:2
2x Jessica 7 AUS CEL OBT PRE !Toreador:2 bishop
2x Jessica Adv 8 AUS CEL OBT PRE !Toreador:2 bishop
2x Kendrick 7 ANI POT aus obf !Nosferatu:2 priscus
2x Kite 7 AUS DEM obf pre !Malkavian:2 bishop
2x Korah 7 AUS DEM OBF ani !Malkavian:2 priscus
2x Teresita, The Godmother 7 ANI OBF POT for !Nosferatu:3
2x Terrell Harding 7 AUS THA cel dom obf !Tremere:3
2x Artemis 6 DEM OBF aus cel for !Malkavian:2
2x Christanius Lionel 6 ANI OBF pot !Nosferatu:2
2x Dolphin Black 6 AUS DEM OBF !Malkavian:2
2x Ian Wallingford 6 CEL PRE aus !Toreador:2 bishop
2x Ingram Frizer 6 AUS OBF ani pot !Nosferatu:3
2x Jost Werner 6 AUS PRE ani !Toreador:2
2x Reverend Blackwood 6 DOM THA obf !Tremere:2 bishop
2x Selena 6 AUS DOM THA !Tremere:3
2x Colonel, The 5 AUS cel dem obf !Malkavian:3
2x General Perfidio Dios 5 AUS dem obf !Malkavian:3 bishop
2x Kurt Strauss 5 DOM aus tha !Tremere:2
2x Olivia 5 OBF POT vic !Nosferatu:2 bishop
2x Josef 4 ani obf obt !Nosferatu:2
2x Roger Farnsworth 4 OBF aus !Malkavian:3
2x Sabrina 4 aus cel pre !Toreador:3
2x Thelonius 4 aus dom tha !Tremere:2
2x Tock 4 obf pot pre !Nosferatu:3
2x Brooke 3 dom tha !Tremere:2
2x Ember Wright 3 aus dom !Tremere:3
2x Lolita 3 for pre !Toreador:2
2x Boy Toy 2 dem !Malkavian:2
2x Dani 2 ani !Nosferatu:2
2x Heinrick Schlempt 2 tha !Tremere:2


Library [616 cards]

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Action [96]
10x Ambush
2x Art Scam
2x Blood Feast
8x Blooding
2x Brick Laying
10x Cryptic Mission
2x Far Mastery
8x Harass
6x Haunting, The
10x Kindred Spirits
4x Legal Manipulations
2x Memory's Fading Glimpse
2x Patronage
4x Propaganda
2x Recure of the Homeland
4x Revelations
8x Scouting Mission
4x Slaughtering the Herd
2x War Party
4x Zillah's Tears

Action Modifier [82]
6x Bewitching Oration
8x Bonding
2x Circumspect Revelation
8x Cloak the Gathering
4x Elder Impersonation
8x Eyes of Chaos
16x Faceless Night
4x Forgotten Labyrinth
8x Lost in Crowds
4x Seduction
8x Stealth Ritus
2x Telepathic Vote Counting
4x Under the Skin

Action Modifier/Combat [10]
2x Deny
8x Swallowed by the Night

Action Modifier/Reaction [2]
2x Random Patterns

Ally [12]
2x Courier
4x Escaped Mental Patient
4x Marijava Thuggee
2x Succubus

Combat [132]
8x Acrobatics
4x Amaranth
8x Apportation
4x Aura Reading
4x Behind You!
4x Blood Fury
8x Blur
4x Burst of Sunlight
6x Carrion Crows
6x Coma
8x Concealed Weapon
2x Disarm
6x Drawing Out the Beast
4x Eldritch Glimmer
4x Increased Strength
4x Mighty Grapple
6x Sideslip
2x Song in the Dark
4x Song of Serenity
4x Taste of Vitae
10x Theft of Vitae
6x Thrown Gate
8x Thrown Sewer Lid
4x Walk of Flame
4x Weather Control

Equipment [28]
4x IR Goggles
2x Laptop Computer
2x Leather Jacket
6x Meat Cleaver
4x Meat Hook
4x Poker
6x Wooden Stake

Master [70]
12x Blood Doll
2x Communal Haven: Temple
2x Creep Show
4x Dominion
4x Fame
2x Fetish Club Hunting Ground
2x Guru
2x Infernal Pact
2x Institution Hunting Ground
4x Malkavian Game
2x Nosferatu Kingdom
2x Palla Grande
2x Powerbase: Madrid
4x Rotschreck
4x Shakar
2x Shanty Town Hunting Ground
4x Short-Term Investment
4x Sociopath
2x Steam Tunnels
2x University Hunting Ground
2x Vox Senis
4x Zillah's Valley

Political Action [46]
2x Camarilla Threat
8x Consanguineous Boon
2x Crusade: Chicago
2x Crusade: Miami
2x Deploy the Hand
2x Disputed Territory
2x Dramatic Upheaval
2x Hand Intervention
10x Kine Resources Contested
4x Sabbat Priest
10x Templar

Reaction [130]
2x Babble
2x Cardinal Sin: Insubordination
6x Cats' Guidance
8x Deflection
4x Dread Gaze
6x Eagle's Sight
16x Enhanced Senses
4x Fast Reaction
14x Forced Awakening
10x Guard Dogs
4x Pack Tactics
4x Precognition
4x Quicken Sight
16x Spirit's Touch
8x Telepathic Counter
14x Telepathic Misdirection
2x Treachery
6x Wake with Evening's Freshness

Retainer [8]
2x Owl Companion
6x Raven Spy

Deck Name : Toreador Antitribu BHSDCR
Author : The Lasombra
Description : Black Hand Starter Deck Construction Response

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 3 max: 8 average: 6.5

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1x Lachlan, Noddist 8 AUS CEL PRE dom !Toreador:2 archbishop
1x Miller Delmardigan 8 CEL PRE aus pro !Toreador:2 bishop
1x Venere Carboni 8 AUS CEL PRE ani !Toreador:3 priscus
1x Jessica Adv 8 AUS CEL OBT PRE !Toreador:2 bishop
1x Jessica 7 AUS CEL OBT PRE !Toreador:2 bishop
2x Greta Kircher 7 AUS CEL PRE obf !Toreador:2
2x Jost Werner 6 AUS PRE ani !Toreador:2
1x Ian Wallingford 6 CEL PRE aus !Toreador:2 bishop
1x Sabrina 4 aus cel pre !Toreador:3
1x Lolita 3 for pre !Toreador:2

Library [80 cards]

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Action [8]
2x Art Scam
4x Legal Manipulations
2x Patronage

Action Modifier [8]
4x Bewitching Oration
2x Telepathic Vote Counting
2x Under the Skin

Combat [12]
4x Acrobatics
2x Aura Reading
6x Sideslip

Equipment [2]
2x Leather Jacket

Master [13]
3x Blood Doll
1x Fame
2x Fetish Club Hunting Ground
2x Guru
2x Palla Grande
2x Powerbase: Madrid
1x Short-Term Investment

Political Action [17]
1x Camarilla Threat
4x Consanguineous Boon
1x Crusade: Miami
1x Deploy the Hand
1x Disputed Territory
7x Kine Resources Contested
2x Sabbat Priest

Reaction [20]
2x Eagle's Sight
4x Quicken Sight
8x Telepathic Misdirection
6x Wake with Evening's Freshness

Deck Name : Nosferatu Antitribu BHSDCR
Author : The Lasombra
Description : Black Hand Starter Deck Construction Response

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.83333

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1x Calebos 8 ANI OBF POT cel !Nosferatu:2 bishop
2x Beast, The Leatherface 7 OBF POT ani cel !Nosferatu:2
2x Kendrick 7 ANI POT aus obf !Nosferatu:2 priscus
1x Teresita, The Godmother 7 ANI OBF POT for !Nosferatu:3
1x Christanius Lionel 6 ANI OBF pot !Nosferatu:2
1x Ingram Frizer 6 AUS OBF ani pot !Nosferatu:3
1x Olivia 5 OBF POT vic !Nosferatu:2 bishop
1x Josef 4 ani obf obt !Nosferatu:2
1x Tock 4 obf pot pre !Nosferatu:3
1x Dani 2 ani !Nosferatu:2

Library [90 cards]

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Action [11]
5x Ambush
4x Harass
2x Zillah's Tears

Action Modifier [6]
1x Cloak the Gathering
1x Elder Impersonation
1x Faceless Night
1x Forgotten Labyrinth
2x Lost in Crowds

Action Modifier/Combat [1]
1x Swallowed by the Night

Combat [32]
2x Behind You!
6x Carrion Crows
4x Drawing Out the Beast
4x Mighty Grapple
2x Song in the Dark
4x Song of Serenity
4x Taste of Vitae
6x Thrown Gate

Master [15]
3x Blood Doll
1x Creep Show
1x Dominion
1x Fame
2x Nosferatu Kingdom
2x Shakar
2x Shanty Town Hunting Ground
1x Short-Term Investment
1x Steam Tunnels
1x Vox Senis

Political Action [3]
1x Crusade: Chicago
2x Templar

Reaction [16]
6x Cats' Guidance
8x Guard Dogs
2x Pack Tactics

Retainer [6]
2x Owl Companion
4x Raven Spy

Deck Name : Tremere Antitribu BHSDCR
Author : The Lasombra
Description : Black Hand Starter Deck Construction Response

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.41667

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1x Ian Forestal 8 AUS DOM THA !Tremere:2
1x Kij Dansky 8 AUS DOM THA obt !Tremere:2 priscus
1x Bryan Van Duesen 7 DOM THA aus pre !Tremere:2
1x Terrell Harding 7 AUS THA cel dom obf !Tremere:3
2x Selena 6 AUS DOM THA !Tremere:3
1x Reverend Blackwood 6 DOM THA obf !Tremere:2 bishop
1x Kurt Strauss 5 DOM aus tha !Tremere:2
1x Thelonius 4 aus dom tha !Tremere:2
1x Brooke 3 dom tha !Tremere:2
1x Ember Wright 3 aus dom !Tremere:3
1x Heinrick Schlempt 2 tha !Tremere:2

Library [90 cards]

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Action [16]
4x Cryptic Mission
2x Recure of the Homeland
8x Scouting Mission
2x Zillah's Tears

Action Modifier [12]
8x Bonding
4x Seduction

Ally [1]
1x Succubus

Combat [26]
8x Apportation
2x Aura Reading
4x Burst of Sunlight
10x Theft of Vitae
2x Walk of Flame

Master [13]
3x Blood Doll
1x Dominion
1x Fame
2x Infernal Pact
2x Rotschreck
1x Short-Term Investment
2x University Hunting Ground
1x Vox Senis

Reaction [22]
8x Deflection
4x Enhanced Senses
8x Forced Awakening
1x Precognition
1x Spirit's Touch

Deck Name : Malkavian Antitribu BHSDCR
Author : The Lasombra
Description : Black Hand Starter Deck Construction Response

Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 8 average: 5.5

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1x Virgil 8 AUS DEM OBF cel !Malkavian:2 bishop
2x Kite 7 AUS DEM obf pre !Malkavian:2 bishop
1x Korah 7 AUS DEM OBF ani !Malkavian:2 priscus
1x Artemis 6 DEM OBF aus cel for !Malkavian:2
1x Dolphin Black 6 AUS DEM OBF !Malkavian:2
1x General Perfidio Dios 5 AUS dem obf !Malkavian:3 bishop
2x Colonel, The 5 AUS cel dem obf !Malkavian:3
2x Roger Farnsworth 4 OBF aus !Malkavian:3
1x Boy Toy 2 dem !Malkavian:2

Library [90 cards]

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Action [14]
2x Haunting, The
10x Kindred Spirits
2x Revelations

Action Modifier [20]
3x Cloak the Gathering
3x Elder Impersonation
6x Eyes of Chaos
3x Faceless Night
2x Forgotten Labyrinth
3x Lost in Crowds

Action Modifier/Combat [9]
2x Deny
7x Swallowed by the Night

Action Modifier/Reaction [2]
2x Random Patterns

Ally [1]
1x Escaped Mental Patient

Combat [2]
2x Behind You!

Equipment [5]
3x IR Goggles
2x Laptop Computer

Master [13]
3x Blood Doll
1x Communal Haven: Temple
2x Dominion
1x Fame
2x Institution Hunting Ground
2x Malkavian Game
1x Short-Term Investment
1x Vox Senis

Political Action [6]
2x Consanguineous Boon
1x Crusade: Chicago
1x Crusade: Miami
2x Sabbat Priest

Reaction [18]
6x Forced Awakening
6x Telepathic Counter
6x Telepathic Misdirection

mirddes wrote:

Only 80 cards per deck, 90 cards is ideal me thinks for most decks.

Just 1 thing : 90 cards is not at all ideal !!!

You should play 90 cards only if you have some tutor mechanics OR if there is some serious chance to finish the deck.