Helena ADV - any good?
03 Aug 2011 10:04 #7284
by Pendargon
Helena ADV - any good? was created by Pendargon
Not a deck per se, but rather a deck in the making 
For a while now i wanted to make a deck around Helena Adv. (or merged, even better), but complete idea escapes me. So, i will pour my thoughts about it here, and you provide me with suggestions, ideas, and your experiences (if any), playing Helena.
So here goes:
Negatives :
10-cap without a title
No inherent way of multiact
inferior pre hurts a lot
infernal
Positives :
B)
Does not pay for dom reactions.
When merged, gets +1 bleed, and wake-like ability for blood
Infernal
First, off the top of the head, she can host a TGB, and still untap for her infernal penalty.
Then, she has inferior obfuscate, allowing her to play Mask of the thousand faces. That was my first idea : Put a couple of aching beauties on her, and mask actions of other smallcap toreadors. Something like this :
Isabel de Leon bleeds for one, prey tries to block, Mask, it is now Helena, croc tongue/change of target/pain B) . This concept, however, suffers severely from the fact that she does not have:PRE: to majesty away and be ready to do something else.
With kindred coercion and helena you practically do not need delaying tactics, and free deflection is really good. But, it does not win you games...
At
, she has, imho, only psychomachia to benefit from (but block fails is great deal), and maybe concordance at
when merged. Then, maybe even some As the crow?
can maybe used for rutor hand (if going
way and concordance), and maybe magic of the smith (but what to summon with it?).
See, there lies my problem. She seems as such a versatile vampire, with hot picture, and is widely represented in the fluff, but seems always lacking that little bit to make her really shine.
Help?

For a while now i wanted to make a deck around Helena Adv. (or merged, even better), but complete idea escapes me. So, i will pour my thoughts about it here, and you provide me with suggestions, ideas, and your experiences (if any), playing Helena.
So here goes:
Negatives :
10-cap without a title
No inherent way of multiact
inferior pre hurts a lot
infernal
Positives :







Does not pay for dom reactions.
When merged, gets +1 bleed, and wake-like ability for blood
Infernal

First, off the top of the head, she can host a TGB, and still untap for her infernal penalty.
Then, she has inferior obfuscate, allowing her to play Mask of the thousand faces. That was my first idea : Put a couple of aching beauties on her, and mask actions of other smallcap toreadors. Something like this :
Isabel de Leon bleeds for one, prey tries to block, Mask, it is now Helena, croc tongue/change of target/pain B) . This concept, however, suffers severely from the fact that she does not have:PRE: to majesty away and be ready to do something else.
With kindred coercion and helena you practically do not need delaying tactics, and free deflection is really good. But, it does not win you games...
At




See, there lies my problem. She seems as such a versatile vampire, with hot picture, and is widely represented in the fluff, but seems always lacking that little bit to make her really shine.
Help?







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03 Aug 2011 10:37 #7288
by Jussi

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Banging trashcans, breaking windows
We'll wake you up tonight
We like the good time, we scream and shout
And that's what fun's about
Replied by Jussi on topic Re: Helena ADV - any good?
Play her with nu-toreador IC, who also has DOM and OBF. Devastate table with unblockable Mind Rapes.





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Banging trashcans, breaking windows
We'll wake you up tonight
We like the good time, we scream and shout
And that's what fun's about
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03 Aug 2011 11:15 #7293
by Ashur
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
Replied by Ashur on topic Re: Helena ADV - any good?
I´ve played a Helena-Abyssal Hunter-deck with (surprisingly!) some success. You try, you like - vekn.net/index.php/forum/7-deck-clinic/2416-helena-and-the-hunters#2416
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
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03 Aug 2011 20:09 #7310
by Juggernaut1981




Baron of Sydney, Australia, 418
Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: Helena ADV - any good?
Heheheh I have a nastier plan.
Build a 60-card garden variety "mid-to-small" Toreador Aching Beauty Bleeder.
Then add in:
- 4-6x Hidden Lurker
- 4-6x Flames of the Nether World
- Light Celerity Combat Defence (Flash + Sideslip)
- 4-6x Infernal Servitor (can play cards as if it was a vamp with
if you can merge Helena so it can do the Hidden Lurker + Flames trick)
Build a 60-card garden variety "mid-to-small" Toreador Aching Beauty Bleeder.
Then add in:
- 4-6x Hidden Lurker
- 4-6x Flames of the Nether World
- Light Celerity Combat Defence (Flash + Sideslip)
- 4-6x Infernal Servitor (can play cards as if it was a vamp with







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