Wall of Birds

KevinM wrote:

Ecoterrorists takes THREE turns to profit from, and it's an auto-include. Compare to the '2 turns' you say that Gather requires. Seriously, he's got freak-driving Gangrel here, and he's at 82 cards. Gather is awesome.

put 2 copies of Ecoterrorists in a deck, and you have really good chances of drawing it early. if the game goes for an average of 12 turns, that's a profit of around 8 pool maybe. even more if the game drags out (since this is a wall deck)

I've tried Gather with midcaps, it really doesn't work. I've tried it with 8+ caps and it's wonderful, almost better than Villein! it may have something to do with if you could transfer the vampire out in 1 turn normally, you should go ahead and do that for game tempo, then blood doll them later. This deck has Ingrid so it can speedy transfer the midcaps out, so it feels redundant to me.

I think the easiest way to think of it is: Pentex is for those who can't Banish or send someone to torpor... "Pentex is for the weak", plus its just a card people don't ever consider for a social game. The other way to think of it is an unspoken 'gentleman's agreement'.

RE: Ecoterrorists
You need to own two.

RE: Retainers
Planning to try stay untapped as possible and I'm not seeing many high-stealth decks around. Dog Packs aren't for "send to torpor" but for "No Untap from Majesty for you!" (also seeing a fair amount of Unholy Penance in our meta).


I'll post an edited version soon.