Tzimisce low-combat toolbox G2
07 Aug 2011 21:42 #7547
by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
Tzimisce low-combat toolbox G2 was created by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
As I still have fever I can't play anything demanding concentration, why not make more VTES decks and post them on the forums?
So I wanted to improve my standard Tzimisce formula, a metamorphosist should ever seek change I suppose... I have noticed that very often it isn't necessary to torpor someone or even possible with the kind of combat the Tzimisce play, and it is always the combat that tends to clog, so I'm going to test if I can get away with playing only nine + two combat equipment. Usually this deck would just be larger and all of the extra cards would be red. Also I took out Asanbonsams, I figured that while they're good I play both Auspex and Animalism on my vampires so it's their job to block, and I couldn't fit Unmasking and FBI in this style of deck anyway...
So this is a basic toolbox strategy. It has a lot invested in defense so it can transfer out the guys it needs and use blood dolls on them, when it has enough minions, that would be 3+ it must apply pressure consistently, it can't lunge with huge damage so it must deal constant chip damage. I don't except to be blocked all the time because there's still the threat of aggravated damage, but there is some stealth.
This is the style of deck I like the most to play, but with much less red this time.
Vicissitude Bluff
12x Crypt
1x Little Tailor of Prague VIC AUS ANI
1x Meshenka VIC AUS ANI
1x Kazimir Savostin VIC AUS ani
2x Caliban VIC AUS ANI
2x Corine Marcón VIC AUS ani
2x Devin Bisley AUS ANI vic
1x Lolita Houston VIC aus
1x Martin Franckel AUS
1x Horatio vic
77x Library
15x Master
6x Blood Doll
2x Powerbase : Montreal
1x Powerbase : Barranquilla
1x The Rack
1x Anarch Troublemaker
1x Pentex Subversion
1x Smiling Jack, The Anarch
2x Direct Intervention
16x Action
6x Deep Song
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Tasha Morgan
1x J.S. Simmons
2x Abbot
1x Ivory Bow
1x Femur of Toomler
1x Carlton Van Wyk
1x Army of Rats
1x Bowl of Convergence
9x Combat
6x Chiropteran Marauder
3x Breath of the Dragon
14x Action Modifier
6x Changeling
4x Plasmic Form
3x Mind of the Wilds
24x Reaction
8x Telepathic Misdirection
2x My Enemy's Enemy
2x Read the Winds
2x Enhanced Senses
4x Eyes of Argus
4x On the Qui Vive
2x Cat's Guidance
So I wanted to improve my standard Tzimisce formula, a metamorphosist should ever seek change I suppose... I have noticed that very often it isn't necessary to torpor someone or even possible with the kind of combat the Tzimisce play, and it is always the combat that tends to clog, so I'm going to test if I can get away with playing only nine + two combat equipment. Usually this deck would just be larger and all of the extra cards would be red. Also I took out Asanbonsams, I figured that while they're good I play both Auspex and Animalism on my vampires so it's their job to block, and I couldn't fit Unmasking and FBI in this style of deck anyway...
So this is a basic toolbox strategy. It has a lot invested in defense so it can transfer out the guys it needs and use blood dolls on them, when it has enough minions, that would be 3+ it must apply pressure consistently, it can't lunge with huge damage so it must deal constant chip damage. I don't except to be blocked all the time because there's still the threat of aggravated damage, but there is some stealth.
This is the style of deck I like the most to play, but with much less red this time.
Vicissitude Bluff
12x Crypt
1x Little Tailor of Prague VIC AUS ANI
1x Meshenka VIC AUS ANI
1x Kazimir Savostin VIC AUS ani
2x Caliban VIC AUS ANI
2x Corine Marcón VIC AUS ani
2x Devin Bisley AUS ANI vic
1x Lolita Houston VIC aus
1x Martin Franckel AUS
1x Horatio vic
77x Library
15x Master
6x Blood Doll
2x Powerbase : Montreal
1x Powerbase : Barranquilla
1x The Rack
1x Anarch Troublemaker
1x Pentex Subversion
1x Smiling Jack, The Anarch
2x Direct Intervention
16x Action
6x Deep Song
1x Heart of Nizchetus
1x Tasha Morgan
1x J.S. Simmons
2x Abbot
1x Ivory Bow
1x Femur of Toomler
1x Carlton Van Wyk
1x Army of Rats
1x Bowl of Convergence
9x Combat
6x Chiropteran Marauder
3x Breath of the Dragon
14x Action Modifier
6x Changeling
4x Plasmic Form
3x Mind of the Wilds
24x Reaction
8x Telepathic Misdirection
2x My Enemy's Enemy
2x Read the Winds
2x Enhanced Senses
4x Eyes of Argus
4x On the Qui Vive
2x Cat's Guidance



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07 Aug 2011 23:13 #7554
by agzocgud
Overkill is highly underrated. You know, like in computor games and such.
Replied by agzocgud on topic Re: Tzimisce low-combat toolbox G2
Very solid deck. In my experience this deck cycles quite slow. Barrens, Aura Reading or Dreams of the Sphinx should be solid additions.
As for the crypt, Anton is good vampire since you don´t rely on VIC.
Other players that have s:ce in their decks aren´t to afraid of you. Telepathic Tracking or Rötschrek could make them think twice before getting into combat with you (even an early discard of one of these cards can be enough for opponents to misinterpret your deck (the bluff))
I don´t like PB:Barranquilla. Just the sight of all those counters makes many players eager to burn it, even if it isn´t that good.
After you played it a few times, consider how often you enter combat with Deep Song. Often, Fiendish Tounge is better with it´s built-in untap. On the other hand, that Deep Song rush can be crucial in some games. Tough call.
Not a big fan of My Enemys Enemy either. I seldom want to use the superior version, it often creates chaos on the table. In this deck, I would prefer Spirits Touch with the built in maneuver.
Good Luck!
As for the crypt, Anton is good vampire since you don´t rely on VIC.
Other players that have s:ce in their decks aren´t to afraid of you. Telepathic Tracking or Rötschrek could make them think twice before getting into combat with you (even an early discard of one of these cards can be enough for opponents to misinterpret your deck (the bluff))
I don´t like PB:Barranquilla. Just the sight of all those counters makes many players eager to burn it, even if it isn´t that good.
After you played it a few times, consider how often you enter combat with Deep Song. Often, Fiendish Tounge is better with it´s built-in untap. On the other hand, that Deep Song rush can be crucial in some games. Tough call.
Not a big fan of My Enemys Enemy either. I seldom want to use the superior version, it often creates chaos on the table. In this deck, I would prefer Spirits Touch with the built in maneuver.
Good Luck!
Overkill is highly underrated. You know, like in computor games and such.
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08 Aug 2011 00:40 - 08 Aug 2011 00:41 #7557
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic Re: Tzimisce low-combat toolbox G2
Without War Ghouls, I would replace the bleed retainers with Living Manses for the flexibility. Doubly so in a Finnish politics meta since Living Manse trumps Immortal Grapple.
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08 Aug 2011 01:07 #7558
by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
Replied by Demnogonis Saastuttaja on topic Re: Tzimisce low-combat toolbox G2
@agzocgud : Good advice, I think I'll have -1 Barranquilla, montreal, +2 DotS (it also helps in a similar fashion as Montreal), -1 Meshenka, +1 Anton, -3 Deep Song +3 Fiendish Tongue (A few Deep Song can be used to tap a bouncer perhaps. I'll just have to test it to find out what's more useful). On My Enemy's Enemy, I find it one of the best intercept cards because it's versatile, Spirit's Touch for example can't be used to do anything but block. Also My Enemy's Enemy is p. good when you got three players left.
@ Boris :
A good idea, and Living Manses can't be contested, either.
@ Boris :
A good idea, and Living Manses can't be contested, either.



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