My 1st Deck (Having Never Played VTES)
22 Mar 2018 19:52 #85956
by narpassword
whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Animalism_(VTM)
Deep Song: Influence the emotional state of listeners with a song
Sounds like it works well for a card that can bleed or enter combat.
Change emotional state to panic make them make a poor investment choice like buying bitcoins.
Make them rage and destroy their property.
Make them agrey enough to enter combat with you.
All seem to cover the ability's description.
Replied by narpassword on topic My 1st Deck (Having Never Played VTES)
What exactly is "Deep Song" and why does it harm the assets, reputation, property, etc. of another Methuselah?
whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Animalism_(VTM)
Deep Song: Influence the emotional state of listeners with a song
Sounds like it works well for a card that can bleed or enter combat.
Change emotional state to panic make them make a poor investment choice like buying bitcoins.
Make them rage and destroy their property.
Make them agrey enough to enter combat with you.
All seem to cover the ability's description.
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22 Mar 2018 20:09 #85957
by TwoRazorReign
Fantastic point. This is exactly why Army of Rats is my favorite card in the game.
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With animalism, you can also use Army of Rats (my favorite card in the game). You'd have to defend it though...
Not as often as you would think. It's "just" one pool, right? Folks forego dealing with it thinking that forward progress is more important.
Fantastic point. This is exactly why Army of Rats is my favorite card in the game.
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22 Mar 2018 20:56 #85958
by Kushiel
Removing beads from the table.
If you try to approach VTES as a game that has any kind of conceptual/mechanical parity, you'll go insane very quickly.
Replied by Kushiel on topic My 1st Deck (Having Never Played VTES)
Also, to anyone who may be reading: What do you imagine 'bleeding' to be?
Removing beads from the table.
If you try to approach VTES as a game that has any kind of conceptual/mechanical parity, you'll go insane very quickly.

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22 Mar 2018 22:27 #85961
by LivesByProxy
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I was asking a relevant question as prompted by BloodArtist's comment. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, matey.
But seriously though, there are so many cards that burn pool or bleed your prey for minuscule amounts compared to Dominate. Why? As I've said in another thread, Richard Garfield, for all his genius, seemed prone to making power cards. Conditioning and Govern The Unaligned seem like VTES's equivalent of MTG's Ancestral Recall and Time Walk (two OP / broken cards.)
Gangrel. Noddist. Camarilla. Once each turn, LivesByProxy may burn 1 blood to lose Protean
until the end of the turn and gain your choice of superior Auspex
, Obfuscate
, or Potence
for the current action.
Replied by LivesByProxy on topic My 1st Deck (Having Never Played VTES)
Why is everyone fine with Dominate being the best bleeding and best bleed defense discipline?
Excellent strawman argument, as no one said that, ever.
Try to not use logical fallacies to support your arguments, please.
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Do you mean cards that are not dominate, presence or political actions have poor ousting power?
Yeah, welcome to VTES where everyone is fine with dominate being OP.
I was asking a relevant question as prompted by BloodArtist's comment. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, matey.

But seriously though, there are so many cards that burn pool or bleed your prey for minuscule amounts compared to Dominate. Why? As I've said in another thread, Richard Garfield, for all his genius, seemed prone to making power cards. Conditioning and Govern The Unaligned seem like VTES's equivalent of MTG's Ancestral Recall and Time Walk (two OP / broken cards.)









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22 Mar 2018 22:30 #85963
by Blooded Sand
Not my fault you missed the invisible /s after his line...
Nope, that would be return to Innocence and Protect Thine Own, actually.
The problem with dominate is in it's versatility. Same with Presence. Presence suffers due to having insane synergy with voting heavy decks using VC and Majesty.
Replied by Blooded Sand on topic My 1st Deck (Having Never Played VTES)
Why is everyone fine with Dominate being the best bleeding and best bleed defense discipline?
Excellent strawman argument, as no one said that, ever.
Try to not use logical fallacies to support your arguments, please.
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Do you mean cards that are not dominate, presence or political actions have poor ousting power?
Yeah, welcome to VTES where everyone is fine with dominate being OP.
I was asking a relevant question as prompted by BloodArtist's comment. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, matey.
Not my fault you missed the invisible /s after his line...
But seriously though, there are so many cards that burn pool or bleed your prey for minuscule amounts compared to Dominate. Why? As I've said in another thread, Richard Garfield, for all his genius, seemed prone to making power cards. Conditioning and Govern The Unaligned seem like VTES's equivalent of MTG's Ancestral Recall and Time Walk (two OP / broken cards.)
Nope, that would be return to Innocence and Protect Thine Own, actually.
The problem with dominate is in it's versatility. Same with Presence. Presence suffers due to having insane synergy with voting heavy decks using VC and Majesty.








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22 Mar 2018 23:37 #85966
by LivesByProxy
Gangrel. Noddist. Camarilla. Once each turn, LivesByProxy may burn 1 blood to lose Protean
until the end of the turn and gain your choice of superior Auspex
, Obfuscate
, or Potence
for the current action.
Replied by LivesByProxy on topic My 1st Deck (Having Never Played VTES)
I got the sarcasm, which is directed at the VTES community, no? Players play with the strongest cards and tactics available, because they are what get VP and win games. But I don't see any pressure from players to have the designers buff the other Disciplines up to Dominate's level of power and versatility (so many cards are deemed 'wallpaper' for their uselessness). So while the players would seem to dislike it, as you and BloodArtist imply, they're also willing to just accept it, which is like the definition of despair. XD
OK, Protect Thine Own is pretty powerful, but why was Return To Innocence banned? You spend pool to get a big vamp out, and then use Innocence to burn prey's pool but you lose your fatty. It enabled a board sweep? Was there some combo that kept your vamp from being burnt? Explain please.
OK, Protect Thine Own is pretty powerful, but why was Return To Innocence banned? You spend pool to get a big vamp out, and then use Innocence to burn prey's pool but you lose your fatty. It enabled a board sweep? Was there some combo that kept your vamp from being burnt? Explain please.









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