file Toreador: Starter Deck Keepers of Tradition

01 Nov 2021 18:02 #103727 by Lankweird
Hello,

I have managed to get hold of the old Toreador Starter Deck: Keepers of Tradition (12 Crypt and 77 Library Cards).

I'm new to the game and wanted to know if this pre-constructed deck was any good to play as is, or whether it needs some changes to make it competitive with newer decks?

We have a group of three new players and the decks which are being used are Stanislava 25th, Den of Fiends, Pact with Nephandi and a few of the new 5th edition starter decks: Nosferatu, Malkavian and Tremere.

Thanks in advance for any advice given.

The pre-constructed Toreador deck includes the following cards:

Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 12, Max 40, Avg: 6,83)
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2x Sean Andrews cel 2, Toreador
2x Thomas De Lutrius aus cel pre 4, Toreador
2x Kateline Nadasdy AUS CEL PRE 7, Toreador
2x Eugene AUS CEL FOR PRE 8, Toreador
2x Epikasta Rigastos cel AUS DOM PRE 9, Toreador
2x Rafael de Corazon AUS CEL DOM OBF PRE 11, Toreador

Library: (77 cards)
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Master (10 cards)
1 Auspex
1 Celerity
2 Contingency Planning
2 Fame
1 Presence
1 The Rack
2 Vessel

Actions (7 cards)
6 Public Trust
1 Entrancement

Action Modifiers (11 cards)
4 Approximation of Loyalty
4 Crocodile’s Tongue
3 Suppressing Fire

Political Actions (6 cards)
4 Kine Resource Contested
1 Praxis Seizure: Houston
1 Praxis Seizure: Washington DC

Equipment (16 cards)
1 Bowl of Convergence
1 Mark V
5 Beretta
3 Desert Eagle
1 Ivory Bow
2 IR Googles
3 Sniper Riffle

Combat (14 cards)
6 Pursuit
2 Concealed Weapon
3 Psyche!
3 Taste of Vitae

Reaction (13 cards)
3 Eagle’s Sight
4 Minor Irritation
2 On the Qui Vive
4 Telepathic Misdirection

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01 Nov 2021 19:51 #103728 by Hakuron
You will have a pretty tough time with your deck in comparison to the other decks you mentioned.
The main reason is that the BCP decks a streamlined, most of the decks of the old times are/were not.

So changes are highly recommended.
Which options / card pool do you have available?

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01 Nov 2021 22:01 #103730 by Lankweird
Many thanks for getting back.

I suspected the deck wouldn’t be up to scratch as is. I have also got my hands on a First Blood expansion and the v5 Toreador. I quite like the idea of a Toreador combat deck, rather than it being too vote oriented, but need to research what that might look like. I’d welcome any suggestions, or links to any Toreador combat decks you know of.

Thanks again.

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02 Nov 2021 04:57 #103734 by smeeag
This is not a deck, but just pile of cards. Half of which you can strip and reuse later (in different decks) and the rest is junk.
Don't try to play with it (or just vs other preconstructed decks of that period, they were almost all very bad).
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02 Nov 2021 10:56 #103739 by alf
You're aware that you can easily use proxies in your private environment?
Therefore I'd suggest to try to find inspirations in the Tornament Winning Deck Archive or this forum. There also used to be the Deck Bashing Challenge (or so?) somewhere, which was about mashing two starters together to get a competitive deck. Not sure if I can still find that link or if the Toreador Starter was used there.

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02 Nov 2021 10:59 - 02 Nov 2021 11:05 #103740 by alf
Try this link maybe:
www.vekn.net/forum/deck-clinic/75427-recreating-the-lasombra-s-deck-bashing-challenge-archive

Aah, shame. Those link all to secretlibrary, which is also dead ...

maybe somewhere from here ...
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/2gzuNRMK9gI

Good luck!

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