Fiendish Politics
20 Aug 2011 19:28 #8680
by Klaital
Fiendish Politics was created by Klaital
I was just browsing over my vampire collection today and noticed how many titled vampires Tzimisce have in groups 2-3, so I worked up a vote deck from them. There is so many table votes that you should have vote superiority usually, and can use that to amaranth vampires you don't like that get dropped from the lots of agg damage, which also serves as a nice way to refill your vampires after villein. Mind of the Wilds works as nice anti s:ce card while your acting, which should be when you mainly get in combat with as the reaction module is more for bouncing than blocking. Pool gain is mainly from villeins, though there are also some bloat votes and golcondas for emergencies. Well anyway, I sort of just threw this together fairly quickly so if there is anything obvious missing, do let me know, and comments and suggestions are otherwise appreciated as well.
Crypt:
2x Meshenka
2x Sascha Vykos, the Angel of Caine(advanced)
2x John Paleologus
2x Stravinsky
2x Velya, the Flayer
2x Lambach
Library: 90
Master: 15
1x Giant's Blood
4x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Powerbase: Madrid
8x Villein
Action: 6
6x Deep Song
Action Modifier: 14
7x Changeling
7x Mind of the Wilds
Combat: 22
6x Amaranth
8x Breath of the Dragon
8x Chiropteran Marauder
Political Action: 20
2x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
2x Ancilla Empowerment
4x Conservative Agitation
10x Kine Resources Contested
1x Political Stranglehold
Reaction: 13
6x Eyes of Argus
7x Telepathic Misdirection
Crypt:
2x Meshenka
2x Sascha Vykos, the Angel of Caine(advanced)
2x John Paleologus
2x Stravinsky
2x Velya, the Flayer
2x Lambach
Library: 90
Master: 15
1x Giant's Blood
4x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Powerbase: Madrid
8x Villein
Action: 6
6x Deep Song
Action Modifier: 14
7x Changeling
7x Mind of the Wilds
Combat: 22
6x Amaranth
8x Breath of the Dragon
8x Chiropteran Marauder
Political Action: 20
2x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
2x Ancilla Empowerment
4x Conservative Agitation
10x Kine Resources Contested
1x Political Stranglehold
Reaction: 13
6x Eyes of Argus
7x Telepathic Misdirection
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20 Aug 2011 21:43 #8686
by Adonai
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Fiendish Politics
Comments:
1) Vote diversity. Don't let your turn of votes end because of Delaying Tactics.
a) Neonate Breach.
b) Domain Challenge.
c) Banishment is an amazing card when everyone is playing with Villein.
2) Voter Captivation. Both Velya and Lambach have presence. Voter Captivation will work like extra copies of Giant's Blood for you. Two or three copies will be golden.
3) Master phase. Legendary Vampire. Powerbase: Rome.
See also:
www.thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2k5psatlanta
and
www.thelasombra.com/newsletter/akunanse_nkule_galadima.htm
1) Vote diversity. Don't let your turn of votes end because of Delaying Tactics.
a) Neonate Breach.
b) Domain Challenge.
c) Banishment is an amazing card when everyone is playing with Villein.
2) Voter Captivation. Both Velya and Lambach have presence. Voter Captivation will work like extra copies of Giant's Blood for you. Two or three copies will be golden.
3) Master phase. Legendary Vampire. Powerbase: Rome.
See also:
www.thelasombra.com/decks/twd.htm#2k5psatlanta
and
www.thelasombra.com/newsletter/akunanse_nkule_galadima.htm
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20 Aug 2011 23:39 #8692
by brandonsantacruz
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Replied by brandonsantacruz on topic Re: Fiendish Politics
What Lasombra said is very good advice so far. I would add that your number of votes is probably too high. You also don't need the Deep Songs. Plasmic Form should go in there for another source of stealth/protection. You may want to diversify your reactions. You could throw in a copy of Guard Dogs, 2x OtQV, and My Enemy's Enemy. I'm liking Metro Underground a lot lately for more untaps. If you are planning on some diablarie, maybe throw in a Carlton. More fringe tech could be Urban Jungle or Depravity. If you find you need more stealth, there is always Creepshow Casino. There are a lot of things you can do with Tzim, which is one reason I am coming to like them more and more. Enjoy!
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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21 Aug 2011 13:01 #8729
by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
Replied by Demnogonis Saastuttaja on topic Re: Fiendish Politics
I played a similar deck a while ago, and I thought it was pretty solid, had consistent performance with it with the exception of the Finnish nationals where I first had a predator who played a turbo Cybele deck and a grandpredator who did nothing at all (however I still survived a long time due to the amount of defense the deck has), then a game where everybody knew it was 0,5 VP's for everyone due to high amounts of defense and pool... Maybe I ousted the Kiasyd, at least I amaranthed one of his minions, don't quite remember. In this game the Hardestadt deck my predator had didn't dare to do much anything before he had some prevent card in hand after I discarded one amaranth.
The last game, 4 players, my predator and grand-predator self-ousted, got me one GW though by diablerizing the eurobrujah. Meh, I take what I get.
Onwards. Here's the deck as I remember it, I didn't actually save the decklist :/ It might or might not have had Golcondas, Black Forest Base, Madrid, DotS, Ancient Influence/etc...
From what I experienced, I'll say Sascha is a superior vampire and the deck could possibly use a third copy. Also even with only ten political actions you still draw a plenty, and a lot of times I found you have other stuff to do... The amount of combat was perfect, no need to have any more, the mere threat of getting your vampire diablerized is huge and a lot of decks don't pack good defense against aggravated damage. The defense module as well felt pretty consistent, and the deck as such pretty resilient.
I took it apart as I don't like playing Zillahs, but it's necessary to play them here, otherwise it's just too slow and can't survive early aggression.
But cheers, this is a fun style of deck to play and one of the few ways to make a Sabbat vote deck that has some point to it.
12x Crypt
3x Lambach
3x Velya, the Flayer
2x Meshenka
2x Sascha Vykos ADV
1x John Paleologus
1x Stravinsky
80x Library
20x Master
8x Villein
2x Lilith's Blessing
1x Giant's Blood
7x Zillah's Valley
1x Information Highway
1x Pentex Subversion
12x Stealth
4x Mind of the Wilds
4x Changeling
4x Plasmic Form
13x Combat
6x Chiropteran Marauder
3x Breath of the Dragon
4x Amaranth
10x Action
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
25x Reaction
6x Eyes of Argus
2x Read the Winds
2x Sense the Savage Way
5x Telepathic Misdirection
5x On the Qui Vive
5x Enhanced Senses
The last game, 4 players, my predator and grand-predator self-ousted, got me one GW though by diablerizing the eurobrujah. Meh, I take what I get.
Onwards. Here's the deck as I remember it, I didn't actually save the decklist :/ It might or might not have had Golcondas, Black Forest Base, Madrid, DotS, Ancient Influence/etc...
From what I experienced, I'll say Sascha is a superior vampire and the deck could possibly use a third copy. Also even with only ten political actions you still draw a plenty, and a lot of times I found you have other stuff to do... The amount of combat was perfect, no need to have any more, the mere threat of getting your vampire diablerized is huge and a lot of decks don't pack good defense against aggravated damage. The defense module as well felt pretty consistent, and the deck as such pretty resilient.
I took it apart as I don't like playing Zillahs, but it's necessary to play them here, otherwise it's just too slow and can't survive early aggression.
But cheers, this is a fun style of deck to play and one of the few ways to make a Sabbat vote deck that has some point to it.
12x Crypt
3x Lambach
3x Velya, the Flayer
2x Meshenka
2x Sascha Vykos ADV
1x John Paleologus
1x Stravinsky
80x Library
20x Master
8x Villein
2x Lilith's Blessing
1x Giant's Blood
7x Zillah's Valley
1x Information Highway
1x Pentex Subversion
12x Stealth
4x Mind of the Wilds
4x Changeling
4x Plasmic Form
13x Combat
6x Chiropteran Marauder
3x Breath of the Dragon
4x Amaranth
10x Action
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
25x Reaction
6x Eyes of Argus
2x Read the Winds
2x Sense the Savage Way
5x Telepathic Misdirection
5x On the Qui Vive
5x Enhanced Senses



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21 Aug 2011 13:21 #8731
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Fiendish Politics
Adonai:
I would think the vote diversity is fairly good already, though I suppose I could change couple krcs to Neonate Breach, I just don't want to have too many votes that are only good in late game as it would suck to draw those early. Maybe replace one of each anarchist uprising and ancilla empowerment with domain challenge, or banishment might work too. Legendary vampire and couple voter caps might be good too, I am not really a fan of pb: Rome though in a deck with no additional mpas.
brandon:
have been considering taking out the deep songs, and maybe couple amaranths along with them, and putting in some private audiences and the aforementioned voter caps instead. I don't really think I need plasmic forms as changeling + mind of the wilds is already enough to get political actions past 2nd tradition, and sometimes I actually want to fight too. Carlton is somewhat annoying yes and I was considering putting in one just to contest, but I figure if I do someone will just steal him anyway. I would probably put in one or two permanent vacations but I don't own any.
Demnogonis:
Thats rather interesting what you said about Sascha, as I have instead considered reducing him to 1 as I am really annoyed by him having only basic animalism so he can't get stealth from mind of the wilds.
I would think the vote diversity is fairly good already, though I suppose I could change couple krcs to Neonate Breach, I just don't want to have too many votes that are only good in late game as it would suck to draw those early. Maybe replace one of each anarchist uprising and ancilla empowerment with domain challenge, or banishment might work too. Legendary vampire and couple voter caps might be good too, I am not really a fan of pb: Rome though in a deck with no additional mpas.
brandon:
have been considering taking out the deep songs, and maybe couple amaranths along with them, and putting in some private audiences and the aforementioned voter caps instead. I don't really think I need plasmic forms as changeling + mind of the wilds is already enough to get political actions past 2nd tradition, and sometimes I actually want to fight too. Carlton is somewhat annoying yes and I was considering putting in one just to contest, but I figure if I do someone will just steal him anyway. I would probably put in one or two permanent vacations but I don't own any.
Demnogonis:
Thats rather interesting what you said about Sascha, as I have instead considered reducing him to 1 as I am really annoyed by him having only basic animalism so he can't get stealth from mind of the wilds.
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21 Aug 2011 19:15 #8758
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Fiendish Politics
Here is an updated version, diversifying votes and adding more vote push as well as some acceleration, what do you think?
Crypt:
2x Meshenka
2x Sascha Vykos, the Angel of Caine(advanced)
2x John Paleologus
2x Stravinsky
2x Velya, the Flayer
2x Lambach
Library: 90
Master: 17
1x Giant's Blood
2x Golconda: Inner Peace
3x Information Highway
1x Legendary Vampire
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Powerbase: Madrid
8x Villein
Action Modifier: 22
7x Changeling
7x Mind of the Wilds
6x Private Audience
2x Voter Captivation
Combat: 18
4x Amaranth
7x Breath of the Dragon
7x Chiropteran Marauder
Political Action: 20
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
1x Ancilla Empowerment
3x Banishment
3x Conservative Agitation
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
1x Political Stranglehold
Reaction: 13
6x Eyes of Argus
7x Telepathic Misdirection
Crypt:
2x Meshenka
2x Sascha Vykos, the Angel of Caine(advanced)
2x John Paleologus
2x Stravinsky
2x Velya, the Flayer
2x Lambach
Library: 90
Master: 17
1x Giant's Blood
2x Golconda: Inner Peace
3x Information Highway
1x Legendary Vampire
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Powerbase: Madrid
8x Villein
Action Modifier: 22
7x Changeling
7x Mind of the Wilds
6x Private Audience
2x Voter Captivation
Combat: 18
4x Amaranth
7x Breath of the Dragon
7x Chiropteran Marauder
Political Action: 20
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
1x Ancilla Empowerment
3x Banishment
3x Conservative Agitation
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
1x Political Stranglehold
Reaction: 13
6x Eyes of Argus
7x Telepathic Misdirection
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