file Fiendish Politics

21 Aug 2011 20:19 - 21 Aug 2011 20:22 #8761 by Kiddo
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+1 Creepshow Casino, probably instead of Info Highway. Heck, I'd replace Info Highways with Dreams, as they're useful whenever you draw them.

I'd also think about both Grouchon Hall and Papillon.

How about several Consanguineous Boons, since you're running mono-clan crypt? I'd put 4, instead of all Agitations and either a single Banishment or a single Neonate Breach.

I'd also replace 2 Private Audiences with Telepathic Vote Countings, since Sabbat can ruin your day, too and Countings doesn't discriminate...

I'm curious about your combat package. On one hand it looks nice, but on other hand, it misses some rather cool cards, like Inner Essence. Since Breath 'works' only on long range and any experienced player is highly suspicious when Tzimisce goes to long range, I'd be tempted to put a bit fewer Breaths and perhaps a but more Marauders, like 6/8 instead of current 7/7.

Legendary Vampire is the one card I've always put in decks such as this one but have actually played it perhaps three times tops - it either comes too late or at the time I can't or won't afford 2 pool or a master phase...I don't know, I'd like to have a card such as that one in a deck but my gut feeling tells me that that master slot would be better occupied by a single Perfectionist or a Wider view.
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21 Aug 2011 20:38 #8762 by Klaital
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Dreams might be possible instead of info highway, though it is rather highly contested card around here, its a bit of difficult choice, I might well end up changing the info highways to dreams after a bit of testing.

I am not sure if I want to spend that much pool on hunting grounds since I am not running any vessel/doll stuff to gain good use out of them.

Con Boon seems like it wouldn't do that much with as big guys as I am using, I probably wont have more than 3 guys out until the very end game, if I would want pool gain votes I would probably put in Black Forest Base or even Honor the Elders over con boons. I generally prefer to use my actions to do pool damage rather than gain pool.

TVC might be worthwhile, I just fairly rarely see sabbat vote decks which is why I went with private audience, since just canceling one guys votes might not be enough but canceling votes of all non-sabbat should do the trick.

As for the combat package, did you notice that Mind of the Wilds also gives manuever? So I effectively have 14 manuevers there now.

Yeah I am also a bit iffy on legendary vampire, but another guy up there suggested to put it in so trying it out at least.

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21 Aug 2011 20:47 - 21 Aug 2011 20:52 #8763 by Kiddo
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Ups, I mistook your Villeins for Vessels. Yeah, without Vessels/Blood Dolls, HGs are probably not worth it. However, and this is just my preference, I always preferred Vessels+moderate bloodgain to Vessels. There are lots of your cards that cost blood (20) and I like having a way of putting blood back to my vamps. If I remember correctly, last time I played fatty politics, I used 4 Villeins+4 Vessels and 2 mega HGs and it worked like a charm.

Con Boon is also useful when it comes to having some sort of control on the table, meaning my Con Boons are usually played on other people rather than me, to keep them from getting ousted too fast. Honor the elders I dislike since you might end up helping players you do not want to help more than helping yourself. But yeah, I see your point about offensive politics and it is a valid point. I guess it comes to personal preferences...

And yeah, I forgot about maneuvers MotW provides. Such an awesome card...

Once you sit across the Lasombra Breed+Boon deck in a tournament you realize that you should have put several crappy TVCs instead of all those Private Audiences. I've learned my lesson and I've learned it the hard way, but that decision is very meta related. If you don't have Sabbat decks running rampant in your environment than yeah, Audiences ate the way to go.
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25 Aug 2011 00:53 #8945 by Klaital
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After some games and bit more tinkering, here is updated version again which has bit more staying power and answers to different things. Suggestions and other comments again welcome.

Crypt:
2x Meshenka
2x Sascha Vykos, the Angel of Caine(advanced)
2x John Paleologus
2x Stravinsky
2x Velya, the Flayer
2x Lambach

Library:

Master: 15
3x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Giant's Blood
2x Golconda: Inner Peace
1x Monastery of Shadows
1x Powerbase: Madrid
7x Villein

Action Modifier: 22
8x Changeling
8x Mind of the Wilds
6x Private Audience

Combat: 20
6x Breath of the Dragon
2x Canine Horde
8x Chiropteran Marauder
4x Inner Essence

Event: 1
1x Scourge of the Enochians

Political Action: 18
1x Anarchist Uprising
1x Ancient Influence
1x Ancilla Empowerment
3x Conservative Agitation
1x Disputed Territory
8x Kine Resources Contested
2x Neonate Breach
1x Political Stranglehold

Reaction: 14
7x Eyes of Argus
7x Telepathic Misdirection

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