file Justicar Retribution XXXVII: 08.03.2015 Helsinki, Finland

11 Mar 2015 08:17 #69801 by Lönkka
Isn't multideck Limited?
I cen't be Standard Constructed, right?

So should the Format be Constructed...
...and level Limited?

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11 Mar 2015 16:31 - 11 Mar 2015 16:32 #69807 by Ankha
Limited tournaments are described here: www.vekn.net/tournament-rules/7-limited-tournament-rules

The V:EKN sanctions the following Sealed formats:

  • Sealed (standard) (see section 7.3)
  • Restricted Trade (also called Michigan Draft) (see section 7.4)

The V:EKN sanctions the following Draft formats:
  • Booster Draft (standard) (section 7.6)
  • Table Draft (also called Rochester Draft) (section 7.7)
  • Mixed Draft (also called Elder Draft) (section 7.8)



The 3.1.5 Multi-Deck System is compatible with a sanctioned tournament (if you're not restricting the sets for instance), if it is announced beforehand.

3.1.5 Multi-Deck System

Players are prohibited from making modifications to their decks between rounds unless the tournament uses the following multi-deck rules. The multi-deck system can be used at any tournament with fewer than 12 players (i.e., fewer than three tables). Organizers choosing to use this system must announce its use in advance of the tournament date. Players may choose to bring any number of tournament-legal decks to the tournament and/or extra cards to exchange with cards in their decks (also known as a sideboard in some games). Between rounds, players may freely switch decks (or cards in their decks). A tournament begun with the multi-deck system cannot admit more players between rounds if doing so would create a round with 12 or more players.


So basically, your event could have been a standard constructed, but since the multideck format wasn't announced before the tournament, it falls in the "Unsanctioned Tournament" category.

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12 Mar 2015 08:18 #69824 by Lönkka

So basically, your event could have been a standard constructed, but since the multideck format wasn't announced before the tournament, it falls in the "Unsanctioned Tournament" category.

Oh, we're getting anal now...?

It is a SOP here in Helsinki if we have less than qualifying people attending a tournament that we play with multideck.

Just ain't fun to play three rounds in one table against a deck that trashes your deck.

Each and every player that attended that tournament brought several decks with them because of this.

If this is a problem I'll have to make the entries to event calendar AFTER the event from now on.

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12 Mar 2015 09:08 - 12 Mar 2015 09:10 #69828 by Ankha

So basically, your event could have been a standard constructed, but since the multideck format wasn't announced before the tournament, it falls in the "Unsanctioned Tournament" category.

Oh, we're getting anal now...?

It is a SOP here in Helsinki if we have less than qualifying people attending a tournament that we play with multideck.

Just ain't fun to play three rounds in one table against a deck that trashes your deck.

Each and every player that attended that tournament brought several decks with them because of this.

If this is a problem I'll have to make the entries to event calendar AFTER the event from now on.

I'm just reading the tournament rules here. I suppose they were designed that way so that people that bring only one deck are not penalized by the last-minute change.

I agree they could be improved by adding "or if all players agree on a format change the day of the tournament", but I'm not in charge of tournament rules. You should create a post in that way in the appropriate subforum (or if 'someone' reads us...)

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13 Mar 2015 08:35 #69845 by Lönkka

I'm just reading the tournament rules here. I suppose they were designed that way so that people that bring only one deck are not penalized by the last-minute change.

Like siad, it is a standard operating procedure here.
So everyone brought extra decks with them to this tournament.

The fact that it wasn't announced in the event calendar is irrelevant.


But if people see this as a problem I can, like already said, revert in creating events in the event calendar after the event has started/been played. Thus it'll certainly match what was played.

It won't advertise the event in VEKN's event calendar but then again no outsiders attend the tournaments anyways and local announcements cover the local playerbase just nicely.

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13 Mar 2015 13:09 #69850 by Ankha

I'm just reading the tournament rules here. I suppose they were designed that way so that people that bring only one deck are not penalized by the last-minute change.

Like siad, it is a standard operating procedure here.
So everyone brought extra decks with them to this tournament.

The fact that it wasn't announced in the event calendar is irrelevant.


But if people see this as a problem I can, like already said, revert in creating events in the event calendar after the event has started/been played. Thus it'll certainly match what was played.

It won't advertise the event in VEKN's event calendar but then again no outsiders attend the tournaments anyways and local announcements cover the local playerbase just nicely.

I think you should continue as before, but that the tournament rules should be changed.

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