TWD: Visit From the Capuchin Newark OH

jblacey wrote:

That is some serious recursion. I find it particularly interesting that Information Highway is your only crypt acceleration and your smallest vampire is an 8 cap.

What was the record going into the finals?

I had 6 VP and 1 GW going into the finals. Got 4 in the finals. Didn't have Anson in my starting crypt in all 3 games, if that says anything to you.

The acceleration (which includes a single dreams of the sphinx) is great to have to put serious pressure on the table, but mostly unnecessary. If anson or parthenon enters play early, the pool gain just keeps coming and you can get to critical mass by mid game. Liquid ashurs is a hell of a thing.

LivesByProxy wrote:

You say it was made and played specifically for Ben Peal who was in attendance. Did you perchance have a point to prove? What did he say about this monstrosity?

Ben made the finals, as well as Mewcat. I think his reaction was modest until I recurred a Banishment and went from 3 pool and probably losing to 11 pool and in total control of the game (Ashurs + liquid + voter cap). The power of liquid ashurs is in pool gain and crafting your deck with the recursion, with the added benefit of choosing a card that best fits your immediate future.

My point is that liquidation and (mostly) ashurs are bad for the game. I made a few critical decisions, but mostly I just played masters in my hands and outlasted my predator with pool gain until my deck was thinned out and I could just make my deck whatever I want. That type of recursion shouldn't exist in this game.

Mewcat wrote:

He was 1 gw, 7 vp in 2 rounds. You don't need acceleration when u make piles of pool in master phase. People have to play risky to oust you, basically suiciding, which I did end 2 and mark did in finals.

That's really the rub, isn't it. To outpace the pool gain you really have to lean into them. And it's true that it cost both of you dearly.

Some quick notes about deck changes I would make.

I added a second Cailean instead of leandro because newark is notoriously combat heavy. Crypt changes I would make would be -1 Cailean -1 Huitzilopochtli, +! Leandro +1 Arika.

-1 Majesty, -1 Enkil Cog, +1 True Love's Face +1 Cloak the Gathering.

DJHedgehog wrote:

I had 6 VP and 1 GW going into the finals. Got 4 in the finals. Didn't have Anson in my starting crypt in all 3 games, if that says anything to you.

It does. I played a very similar deck in a tournament. I never had enough Masters to use all my actions and got destroyed by back to back Archon Investigation. So I think you have better luck than me.

The acceleration (which includes a single dreams of the sphinx) is great to have to put serious pressure on the table, but mostly unnecessary. If anson or parthenon enters play early, the pool gain just keeps coming and you can get to critical mass by mid game. Liquid ashurs is a hell of a thing.

Agreed, it is combo made in hell.

Ben made the finals, as well as Mewcat. I think his reaction was modest until I recurred a Banishment and went from 3 pool and probably losing to 11 pool and in total control of the game (Ashurs + liquid + voter cap). The power of liquid ashurs is in pool gain and crafting your deck with the recursion, with the added benefit of choosing a card that best fits your immediate future.

The particularly brutal play is play Ashur Tablet, burn 3 Tablets (get Pentex Subversion), lock Parathenon, and play Pentex Subversion. Net one pool gain.

That's really the rub, isn't it. To outpace the pool gain you really have to lean into them. And it's true that it cost both of you dearly.

So bloat is nothing new. What makes Liquidation + Ashur Tablets so brutal is that your vampires don't really matter. A combat deck can wreck your vampires, you can lose vote control, but if you aren't losing at least 3 pool a turn... then none of that matters.

jblacey wrote:

So bloat is nothing new. What makes Liquidation + Ashur Tablets so brutal is that your vampires don't really matter. A combat deck can wreck your vampires, you can lose vote control, but if you aren't losing at least 3 pool a turn... then none of that matters.

In my first game with this deck ever (and like my second game with an MMA deck) I played it in an online league game. My pred kept torping me out and I moaned up a storm. Nobody rescued, still won table. Yes there were other things going on but most combat decks can't put up the bleed numbers to stop you from bringing up minion after minion.

The point is I agree with you. At the absolute very least, if you have combat blowing you up there is a good chance you can last till the end for the sweet .5 vps.

DJHedgehog wrote:

The point is I agree with you. At the absolute very least, if you have combat blowing you up there is a good chance you can last till the end for the sweet .5 vps.

I am thinking since you only have 1x Anarchist Uprising... an Emerald Legionnaire deck would be a really annoying predator. Or is that why Entrancement is in the deck?

LivesByProxy wrote:

You say it was made and played specifically for Ben Peal who was in attendance. Did you perchance have a point to prove? What did he say about this monstrosity?

I think I said something like, "Congrats, man! Great job!"

MewCat wrote:

Ben is at the mercy of the community which, oddly, takes pride in not balancing the game. He can only change stuff if there is an outcry for it. Basically you have to complain a lot if you desire change.

wut.