TWD VtES Finnish Nationals 2025
07 May 2025 10:41 #114393
by jääprisma
TWD VtES Finnish Nationals 2025 was created by jääprisma
VtES Finnish Nationals 2025
Vantaa, Finland
12 April 2025
3R + F
39 Players
Teemu Sainomaa
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/12069
Deck Name: Toreador wall
Description:
Crypt (12 cards, min=26 max=41 avg=8.42)
4x Anneke 10 AUS CEL PRE dom justicar Toreador:1
4x Anson 8 CEL PRE aus dom prince Toreador:1
1x Alexandra 11 ANI AUS CEL PRE dom inner circle Toreador:2
1x Marcellus 8 AUS CEL pro prince Toreador:2
1x Tatiana Romanov 7 AUS cel pre prince Toreador:1
1x Zöe 3 AUS cel obf Malkavian:2
Library (89 cards)
Master (31; 8 trifle)
1x Art Museum
9x Ashur Tablets
1x Auspex
1x Bleeding the Vine
2x Direct Intervention
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Erciyes Fragments, The
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
1x Papillon
1x Parthenon, The
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Rack, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Vessel
6x Villein
1x Wider View
Equipment (10)
8x .44 Magnum
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Reaction (20)
5x Eyes of Argus
3x My Enemy's Enemy
1x On the Qui Vive
6x Second Tradition: Domain
5x Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (26)
7x Concealed Weapon
5x Infernal Pursuit
6x Psyche!
6x Pursuit
2x Taste of Vitae
Event (2)
1x Nightmares upon Nightmares
1x Scourge of the Enochians
Vantaa, Finland
12 April 2025
3R + F
39 Players
Teemu Sainomaa
www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/12069
Deck Name: Toreador wall
Description:
Crypt (12 cards, min=26 max=41 avg=8.42)
4x Anneke 10 AUS CEL PRE dom justicar Toreador:1
4x Anson 8 CEL PRE aus dom prince Toreador:1
1x Alexandra 11 ANI AUS CEL PRE dom inner circle Toreador:2
1x Marcellus 8 AUS CEL pro prince Toreador:2
1x Tatiana Romanov 7 AUS cel pre prince Toreador:1
1x Zöe 3 AUS cel obf Malkavian:2
Library (89 cards)
Master (31; 8 trifle)
1x Art Museum
9x Ashur Tablets
1x Auspex
1x Bleeding the Vine
2x Direct Intervention
1x Dreams of the Sphinx
1x Erciyes Fragments, The
1x Fame
1x Giant's Blood
1x Papillon
1x Parthenon, The
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Rack, The
1x Society of Leopold
1x Vessel
6x Villein
1x Wider View
Equipment (10)
8x .44 Magnum
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Heart of Nizchetus
Reaction (20)
5x Eyes of Argus
3x My Enemy's Enemy
1x On the Qui Vive
6x Second Tradition: Domain
5x Telepathic Misdirection
Combat (26)
7x Concealed Weapon
5x Infernal Pursuit
6x Psyche!
6x Pursuit
2x Taste of Vitae
Event (2)
1x Nightmares upon Nightmares
1x Scourge of the Enochians
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08 May 2025 13:47 #114405
by Ashur
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
Replied by Ashur on topic TWD VtES Finnish Nationals 2025
So, Fame and Anneke has +1 bleed, thats the win-cons?
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
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09 May 2025 13:14 #114418
by elotar
NC Russia



Replied by elotar on topic TWD VtES Finnish Nationals 2025
Looks like in modern day VtES, when everybody is playing combat, you don't need wincons any more.






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09 May 2025 17:24 #114421
by Kilrauko
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
Replied by Kilrauko on topic TWD VtES Finnish Nationals 2025
Considering that the finals table had at one point total of 34 votes in it waiting for the TDA listing might give more accurate reading on how, what and why. But as long as there's no requirement to post more then the winning decks it's easy to understand how such conclusions can be reached. I've included the three week old photo from the event page showing final five pull, mind you the eventual TDA gives much more insight on how the win-cons and whatnot worked on that table.VEKN could consider making it a requirement for nationals and champs to release all final decks in prey-predator and starting order (the Kasim Beyar and cam royalty deck started here) to help people understand sooner "how". This time it was most likely vote heavy tournament where wall deck with enough votes and good table talk could wrangle itself to endgame and dominate it to turn just VP's to GWs. Tho I'm not good enough tournament player to pull that level of analysis off.
I personally know that on round 3 I was Teemu's prey with lasombra progeny&boon funny deck that got at least 2 hostile actions/effects with either pool loss/prevent of pool gain from each player on the five player table where scourge was played on turn 2, culminating in the grand predator spirit marionette my untapped full blood reaction prince that got heideled to 1 and then forced -> bleed to torpor at Teemu's .44 magnum blocker. At that point and with the constant slow pool gain Teemu had total of 9 bleed on vamps alone with mine tapped/torpored so I naturally dropped, followed by my prey ousting my grandprey leaving the wall deck in optimal situation, 45 mins left on the clock with 1 vp and 3 player game where prey is vote deck close enough to AAA that edge is deciding and predator with no votes that seems to fear going forward. So wall played steady to oust the two and get yet another GW.
But Teemu had gained enough GW's and VP's from rounds 1 and 2 to make it to finals so my poor counter talk abilities only affected first seed positioning. At least I tried to point out during the game how Montreal had already bloated out five, how Teemu will roll the table, how I should be kept alive as I had enough stealth to reach votes while also ensuring my prey could get to voting without being blocked as well and my protected resources meant I was not going to suddenly go full S&B downstream. Incidentally, Teemu with multiple +1 bleed vamps hard countered that protected resources and it only helped against the bounced bleeds with no spying mission.
So yeah, keep eye on vdb.im/tda before you jump to conclusions. At least the volunteers here share for global audience more so that the theorycrafting has more information to support it.
Tho even it will never reveal the full details of the games, including how I traumatized my hecata aggressive zombie predator with Extremis boon. I might have had much sourer taste from round 3 if I had not had that stars align moment in round 2 before it. Ying and yang and all that. It's the look I got when asking for impulse when I confirmed I was at zero pool and being ousted that I will remember much longer then the clobbering time I had at round 3.
I personally know that on round 3 I was Teemu's prey with lasombra progeny&boon funny deck that got at least 2 hostile actions/effects with either pool loss/prevent of pool gain from each player on the five player table where scourge was played on turn 2, culminating in the grand predator spirit marionette my untapped full blood reaction prince that got heideled to 1 and then forced -> bleed to torpor at Teemu's .44 magnum blocker. At that point and with the constant slow pool gain Teemu had total of 9 bleed on vamps alone with mine tapped/torpored so I naturally dropped, followed by my prey ousting my grandprey leaving the wall deck in optimal situation, 45 mins left on the clock with 1 vp and 3 player game where prey is vote deck close enough to AAA that edge is deciding and predator with no votes that seems to fear going forward. So wall played steady to oust the two and get yet another GW.
But Teemu had gained enough GW's and VP's from rounds 1 and 2 to make it to finals so my poor counter talk abilities only affected first seed positioning. At least I tried to point out during the game how Montreal had already bloated out five, how Teemu will roll the table, how I should be kept alive as I had enough stealth to reach votes while also ensuring my prey could get to voting without being blocked as well and my protected resources meant I was not going to suddenly go full S&B downstream. Incidentally, Teemu with multiple +1 bleed vamps hard countered that protected resources and it only helped against the bounced bleeds with no spying mission.
So yeah, keep eye on vdb.im/tda before you jump to conclusions. At least the volunteers here share for global audience more so that the theorycrafting has more information to support it.
Tho even it will never reveal the full details of the games, including how I traumatized my hecata aggressive zombie predator with Extremis boon. I might have had much sourer taste from round 3 if I had not had that stars align moment in round 2 before it. Ying and yang and all that. It's the look I got when asking for impulse when I confirmed I was at zero pool and being ousted that I will remember much longer then the clobbering time I had at round 3.
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
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10 May 2025 14:06 #114428
by Jannu
Potence, if it doesn't work, you just aren't using enough 
National Coordinator of Finland
Prince of Hämeenlinna
Replied by Jannu on topic TWD VtES Finnish Nationals 2025
Archon approved.
Congratulations for the winner. The final table was interesting game of shifting alliances as votes fluctuated through the game.
Congratulations for the winner. The final table was interesting game of shifting alliances as votes fluctuated through the game.


National Coordinator of Finland
Prince of Hämeenlinna
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