New card idea, sabbat parity shift

Myrdin wrote:

I'm thinking that what we need for the player driven expansion is a manifest, a vision on what we want to achieve with the new cards. At the moment I believe that the tier1 decks are limited to a few disciplines and sects and also that the game often is too slow since bloating has become alot more common with the addition of villein and ashur tablet recursion with liquidation. Most tables I sit down at these days during tournaments basically starts with me trying to beat the clock, some tables are faster but on the whole the clock is the greatest opponent. Creating powerful cards is not bad in itself if they are on par with other already existing powerful cards, as I stated earlier, more viable tier1 decks are needed, and having a sub-par sect/clan etc just means they are not played as much if you want to min/max.

Sure. That's a valid interpretation. This suggestion, though, is sometimes just as good as the most powerful cards in the game. Sometimes it will be even stronger. In some cases maybe even twice as strong. This is my biggest problem with the card. Even if that situation is rare, the possibility shouldn't even be there, in my opinion.

Most cards I see created are defensive atm, I don't know if this is what we need or just a knee-jerk reaction in v:tes in general since it's seen often with backousting-walling-bloating and timing out in general. Personally I believe we need more active cards that create ousts i.e. more governs, more conditionings and more aggresive votes.

I think the problem with timing tables and defensive cards are person-oriented, not game design-oriented. People simply do not want to die. The notion that 0.5vp or 1vp is a good score is so wide-spread that I'm quite sure I'm stepping on some peoples' toes just by mentioning it. Giving people more time, less time, better defense or better offense (within reason) will change the game and will change the kind of decks which wins. But it will not change the fact that a player who wants to will time-out any table. As we learn more about this game and more players realize that anything short of a game win is a loss I think tables will stop timing out.

@Myrdin

You're missing the point. Parity Shift can ONLY be played when your pool is less than another player. This card can be played when I have the MOST pool on the table. This card can also be used to hand a big pile of pool to a cross-table to screw your prey (e.g. I have 15 pool, my GPrey has 3 pool at the other end we will both have 9 pool) making it basically a VP-denial card if people designed a deck to exploit this. If you can bloat significant amounts of pool then you can pick people to keep in the game during your turn by just sharing the bloat and denying players VPs??

How is this not the basic reason that Dramatic Upheaval/Kindred Restructure got banned? AFAIK reseating cards were banned entirely because people VP-sniped. This is barely more than a VP-snipe in reverse (VP-denial)

Ashur wrote:

What do you mean? I fight for every vp.

Then I'm not talking about you. I can't even remember the amount of times I have had to say to the remaining other players "ok, now we all need to hurry up if anyone of us are going to win this game". They all agree and start playing faster. I'm sure others' have had similar experience with players who actually don't play with the time limit in mind. I can only imagine that this is due to inexperience and that they will learn given enough practice.