Card Idea: Relentless
25 Nov 2011 09:45 #15919
by alek
Last but not least I didn't say that the card you proposed is the same as momentary delay but almost identical. Still, IMO, it differs not enough from momentary delay to justify creation of the card. And a "too much card text"Amenophobis mention is as well good argument.
Replied by alek on topic Re: Card Idea: Relentless
How you have come to this conclusion? Beside, why do you think AUS and DOM are my disciplines? Additionally, looking at the EC meta and results, if any dysciplines are dominating there are ANI and "masters".Alek, i understand that you have personal bias toward me, and you want your and to dominate, but at least read the card with comprehension.
Last but not least I didn't say that the card you proposed is the same as momentary delay but almost identical. Still, IMO, it differs not enough from momentary delay to justify creation of the card. And a "too much card text"Amenophobis mention is as well good argument.
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25 Nov 2011 11:25 #15933
by miketheknife
Replied by miketheknife on topic Re: Card Idea: Relentless
too complex card text... second amenophobis...
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25 Nov 2011 11:41 #15936
by Ohlmann
I don't think so, since Momentary delay have an extremely similar cardtext
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too complex card text... second amenophobis...
I don't think so, since Momentary delay have an extremely similar cardtext
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25 Nov 2011 11:44 - 25 Nov 2011 11:47 #15937
by Lech

Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
Replied by Lech on topic Re: Card Idea: Relentless
Maybe because of this ?
Didn't you play saulot too? Okay, you play presence based decks too.
Of course ANI is strong, stronger than it ever was - just like master decks are strong. But we are addressing
here, and this card in particular.
It differs a lot, card for 6+ cap (that can be played against any blocker) compared to card for 8+ cap (that can be playable just against weenies). Anyway, i re-did it.
Warning: Spoiler!
Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 18, Max: 37, Avg: 6,91)
3 Lucian AUS cel DOM OBF tha 10 Malkavian
3 Gilbert Duane AUS DOM OBF 7 Malkavian
2 Greger Anderssen AUS dom OBF pro 7 Malkavian
2 Victoria AUS cel obf 5 Malkavian
1 Didi Meyers aus cel DOM obf 5 Malkavian
1 Zoe AUS cel obf 3 Malkavian
Library: (82 cards)
Master (13 cards)
1 Coven, The
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Giant`s Blood
3 Madness Network
1 Papillon
1 Pentex Subversion
3 Villein
1 Wider View
Action (7 cards)
7 Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier (21 cards)
3 Conditioning
2 Elder Impersonation
2 Faceless Night
1 Foreshadowing Destruction
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
2 Into Thin Air
3 Lost in Crowds
2 Spying Mission
4 Telepathic Vote Counting
Political Action (11 cards)
1 Anarchist Uprising
1 Ancilla Empowerment
1 Banishment
4 Kine Resources Contested
4 Parity Shift
Reaction (23 cards)
5 Deflection
3 Eyes of Argus
7 Obedience
6 Second Tradition: Domain, The
2 Telepathic Misdirection
Ally (2 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1 Muddled Vampire Hunter
Equipment (3 cards)
1 Bowl of Convergence
1 Heart of Nizchetus
1 Helicopter
Combo (2 cards)
2 Swallowed by the Night
And
Crypt: (12 cards, Avg: 6.58)
1 Benedict Giovanni
1 Don Michael Antonio Giovanni
1 Primo Giovanni
1 Almodo Giovanni
1 Raphaela Giovanni
1 Cristobal Ghiberti
2 Ignazio Giovannii
1 Lia Milliner
3 Lady Constancia
Library: (90 cards)
Master (14 cards)
1 Giant`s Blood
3 Acquired Ventrue Assets
2 Direct Intervention
5 Liquidation
1 Powerbase: Cape Verde
1 Dis Pater
1 Perfectionist
Action (17 cards)
5 Sudario Refraction
8 Govern the Unaligned
2 Preternatural Strength
1 Far Mastery
1 Chair of Hades
Action Modifier (23 cards)
5 Seduction
3 Conditioning
8 Freak Drive
7 Call of the Hungry Dead
Reaction (11 cards)
5 On the Qui Vive
5 Deflection
1 Delaying Tactics
Combat (13 cards)
5 Rolling with the Punches
3 Thrown Gate
3 Disarm
2 Superior Mettle
Ally (3 cards)
1 Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
1 Leonardo, Mortician
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
Equipment (2 cards)
1 Ivory Bow
1 Heart of Nizchetus
Combo (7 cards)
5 Spectral Divination
2 Murmur of the False Will
3 Lucian AUS cel DOM OBF tha 10 Malkavian
3 Gilbert Duane AUS DOM OBF 7 Malkavian
2 Greger Anderssen AUS dom OBF pro 7 Malkavian
2 Victoria AUS cel obf 5 Malkavian
1 Didi Meyers aus cel DOM obf 5 Malkavian
1 Zoe AUS cel obf 3 Malkavian
Library: (82 cards)
Master (13 cards)
1 Coven, The
2 Dreams of the Sphinx
1 Giant`s Blood
3 Madness Network
1 Papillon
1 Pentex Subversion
3 Villein
1 Wider View
Action (7 cards)
7 Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier (21 cards)
3 Conditioning
2 Elder Impersonation
2 Faceless Night
1 Foreshadowing Destruction
2 Forgotten Labyrinth
2 Into Thin Air
3 Lost in Crowds
2 Spying Mission
4 Telepathic Vote Counting
Political Action (11 cards)
1 Anarchist Uprising
1 Ancilla Empowerment
1 Banishment
4 Kine Resources Contested
4 Parity Shift
Reaction (23 cards)
5 Deflection
3 Eyes of Argus
7 Obedience
6 Second Tradition: Domain, The
2 Telepathic Misdirection
Ally (2 cards)
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
1 Muddled Vampire Hunter
Equipment (3 cards)
1 Bowl of Convergence
1 Heart of Nizchetus
1 Helicopter
Combo (2 cards)
2 Swallowed by the Night
And
Crypt: (12 cards, Avg: 6.58)
1 Benedict Giovanni
1 Don Michael Antonio Giovanni
1 Primo Giovanni
1 Almodo Giovanni
1 Raphaela Giovanni
1 Cristobal Ghiberti
2 Ignazio Giovannii
1 Lia Milliner
3 Lady Constancia
Library: (90 cards)
Master (14 cards)
1 Giant`s Blood
3 Acquired Ventrue Assets
2 Direct Intervention
5 Liquidation
1 Powerbase: Cape Verde
1 Dis Pater
1 Perfectionist
Action (17 cards)
5 Sudario Refraction
8 Govern the Unaligned
2 Preternatural Strength
1 Far Mastery
1 Chair of Hades
Action Modifier (23 cards)
5 Seduction
3 Conditioning
8 Freak Drive
7 Call of the Hungry Dead
Reaction (11 cards)
5 On the Qui Vive
5 Deflection
1 Delaying Tactics
Combat (13 cards)
5 Rolling with the Punches
3 Thrown Gate
3 Disarm
2 Superior Mettle
Ally (3 cards)
1 Mylan Horseed (Goblin)
1 Leonardo, Mortician
1 Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
Equipment (2 cards)
1 Ivory Bow
1 Heart of Nizchetus
Combo (7 cards)
5 Spectral Divination
2 Murmur of the False Will
Didn't you play saulot too? Okay, you play presence based decks too.
Of course ANI is strong, stronger than it ever was - just like master decks are strong. But we are addressing

It differs a lot, card for 6+ cap (that can be played against any blocker) compared to card for 8+ cap (that can be playable just against weenies). Anyway, i re-did it.






Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
Last edit: 25 Nov 2011 11:47 by Lech.
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25 Nov 2011 12:44 #15941
by alek
Replied by alek on topic Re: Card Idea: Relentless
well, that's just pure coincidence. Right now I've got more than 100 decks recorder of various archetypes. The two you've mentioned are just the ones I've managed to win tournaments with (and not forget to send them to TWDA).Maybe because of this ?
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25 Nov 2011 14:03 #15947
by jamesatzephyr
Some existing cards do have lots of card text, which isn't always a good thing.
Years back, the term "Seven Line Syndrome" was coined in discussions like this. Once a card hits seven lines of text, the interest of a lot of players drops off - unless it's something super-powerful, I guess. If you want a good solid card that's a good building block for decks, without itself being overpowered, shorter text seems to means that the card gets played a bit more.
It's nothing even remotely scientific, but quite a few players have reported similar problems over the years!
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Card Idea: Relentless
too complex card text... second amenophobis...
I don't think so, since Momentary delay have an extremely similar cardtext
Some existing cards do have lots of card text, which isn't always a good thing.
Years back, the term "Seven Line Syndrome" was coined in discussions like this. Once a card hits seven lines of text, the interest of a lot of players drops off - unless it's something super-powerful, I guess. If you want a good solid card that's a good building block for decks, without itself being overpowered, shorter text seems to means that the card gets played a bit more.
It's nothing even remotely scientific, but quite a few players have reported similar problems over the years!
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