Making Aye and Orun Work

Dorrinal wrote:

That would barely help the speed issue without addressing the deck-clogging issue. Maybe as part of a full solution.

Let's be fair. It would also bairly help the deck-clogging issue since you would get to take an Orun/Aye out of your library each time you influenced a Laibon vampire.

Good point. It's still too little by itself. To answer you other question: a rules change might just be the best way to fix aye and orun.

They feel a little too much like land in Magic to me. They aren't very interesting on their own (3 aye is cool I guess), they take a lot of deck space, yet you need them to play certain cards.

Dorrinal wrote:

They feel a little too much like land in Magic to me. They aren't very interesting on their own (3 aye is cool I guess), they take a lot of deck space, yet you need them to play certain cards.

As "land" cards, that prompts the idea that - if you could go back in time and wave a magic wand - you might choose not to make them master cards. Instead, make them work more like Conviction cards. You can pull one from your hand, ash heap or library when a Laibon enters play. You can put one on each Laibon for free in your untap phase. So they cycle really quite easily. You typically burn Conviction cards to pay costs, but LaibonHumanityPath untap cards might not burn.

That might be a little too radical from where we are, though.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

As "land" cards, that prompts the idea that - if you could go back in time and wave a magic wand - you might choose not to make them master cards. Instead, make them work more like Conviction cards.

That actually sounds REALLY good.

Struggle in the Ebony Kingdom Rules Amendments
1. Aye and Orun are placed in a central pile, similar to a Blood Bank. This reserve is technically infinite.

2. Each Methuselah may choose Path of Orun or Path of Aye at the beginning of their game. Laibons controlled by that Methuselah may take a +1 stealth action costing X blood to put X of the corresponding card (Aye if they chose Path of Aye or vice versa) onto the acting vampire and then untap.

3. When a Laibon enters play or a minion becomes Laibon, they may automatically gain an Aye or Orun corresponding to the Path chosen by the Methuselah.

4. When a vampire takes a non-mandatory hunt action, they may reduce the amount of blood gained by 1 and gain 1 Aye or Orun instead as corresponding to the Path chosen by the Methuselah.

5. Any Aye or Orun that are burned are returned to the central pile.