file Submission - Mental Instability

19 Jan 2020 13:29 #98645 by snegiem
Hi all,

Mental instability:
master.trifle.
cost 0
playable only on a malkavian or malkavian antitribe or a vampire with dementation.
Cards redirecting this vampire bleeding actions cost one more blood.
When this vampire is bleeding a methuselah, this methuselah can spend x pools to redirect the bleed to another methuselah other that the vampire controller, where x is the current amount of the bleed.

so this idea is multiple:
- exploit greed: it gives a bouncing option to any methuselah but the cost is high
"would you prey burn 3 pools to redirect your bleed of 3 to his own prey ?"
- it can create bouncing negociation even with theorically non bouncing decks
- table speed up if multiple players pay pool to redirect consequitevely the bleed
- to give the malkavian (and demented vampires) a little bit more of madness

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19 Jan 2020 21:54 #98651 by Boris The Blade

- exploit greed: it gives a bouncing option to any methuselah but the cost is high
"would you prey burn 3 pools to redirect your bleed of 3 to his own prey ?"

That is not how the card works as written. If you have no other defense, then you are going to burn 3 pool either way, and your only choice is to take it alone or to also damage your prey along the way.

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20 Jan 2020 18:02 - 20 Jan 2020 18:09 #98666 by snegiem
it depends:
- a target with no defense may indeed pay pools to try to take his prey down with him. On the other hand, you would probably try to not bleed out your small prey and would either play reduce bleed cards as spy mission or balance your bleed attempts with how to oust your prey without ousting your small prey
- a target with bounces will balance between to pay pool to keep his bounces for later or to use his bounces
- a target able to block but not intercept (like a tzimisce wall running out of deflection) may choose if he prefers to attempt to block the action (and then attempt to cycle wake and intercept) or he thinks it not relevant comparing to damage his prey.

Exemple A (15 pools malk 94 with mental instability) bleeds for 3 B (ventrue anti tribe grindr). B plays deflection cost 2 bloods (1+1) to his prey C who plays brujah antitribe. C has no bounce, he decides to pay 3 pools to redirect to D (tzimisce wall). D has intercept but no bounce, he has the choice to pay 3 pools or to attempt to block.

I thought about alternative texts or costs instead of this one but i really think that there s something to do about it...

one of the other ideas was :

Mental instability:
master.trifle.
cost 0
playable only on a malkavian or malkavian antitribe or a vampire with dementation.
non malkavian non malakavian antitribe vampires must pay one blood to attempt to blockthis vampire undirected actions or to bounce this vampire bleeds.
During your discard, choose a malkavian or malkavian antitribe or a vampire with dementationthat you do not control and put this card on him.
Last edit: 20 Jan 2020 18:09 by snegiem.

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20 Jan 2020 21:15 #98669 by narpassword
wait - who is putting this in their deck? the malkavian who is enabling flick for their prey? Or someone who, instead of putting other defense in, is opting to put in a master hoping their predator is malk/dem?

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21 Jan 2020 05:16 #98671 by Boris The Blade
It is not enabling flick as a defence, only adding attrition to the rest of the table.

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21 Jan 2020 22:27 #98680 by narpassword

Hi all,

Mental instability:
master.trifle.
cost 0
playable only on a malkavian or malkavian antitribe or a vampire with dementation.
Cards redirecting this vampire bleeding actions cost one more blood.
When this vampire is bleeding a methuselah, this methuselah can spend x pools to redirect the bleed to another methuselah other that the vampire controller, where x is the current amount of the bleed.

so this idea is multiple:
- exploit greed: it gives a bouncing option to any methuselah but the cost is high

It is not enabling flick as a defence, only adding attrition to the rest of the table.


im sorry Boris, could you explain what you mean?

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