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						08 Dec 2024 20:10				#113255
		by Lech
	
	
		
			
				
They have 4. Which is bit less than obfuscate 14.
							
					
					 
  
  
  
  
 
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
					
	
	
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Lech on topic Submission - Shadow Figure / Work from shadows - maneuvers for oblivion			
			Although I agree Oblivion needs manuevers, I don't think they need yet another stealth modifier (they have 5). Lasombra combat should be scary, but it also needs to fit the Hecata.
They have 4. Which is bit less than obfuscate 14.
 
  
  
  
  
 
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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						09 Dec 2024 11:44				#113266
		by Haldirus
	
	
		
			
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Haldirus on topic Submission - Shadow Figure / Work from shadows - maneuvers for oblivion			
			
				Exactly, Lasombra should be scary. Without combat you have no chance to fight against guns or banu haqim as they will always outmaneuver you. So either maneuvers or any other form of "disable" other than grapple to enemy even for range.
This card Shadow Maneuver - Its just sad .. its only one per turn. Would be more cooler if it would allow you to "waste" them for optinal maneuvers.. thats why I said 1 strenght and 1 maneuver.. (without this lock on how many you may play - you may even use them multiple times to draw aditional cards).
					This card Shadow Maneuver - Its just sad .. its only one per turn. Would be more cooler if it would allow you to "waste" them for optinal maneuvers.. thats why I said 1 strenght and 1 maneuver.. (without this lock on how many you may play - you may even use them multiple times to draw aditional cards).
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						09 Dec 2024 13:24				#113267
		by Lönkka
	
	
		
			
					
					
					
	
			
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by Lönkka on topic Submission - Shadow Figure / Work from shadows - maneuvers for oblivion			
			
				Love the illustration on Lech's card!
VERY thematic, at least for Obtenebration...
							VERY thematic, at least for Obtenebration...
Finnish   Politics!
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				 Politics!
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						09 Dec 2024 17:37		 -  10 Dec 2024 00:35		#113268
		by yesferatu
	
	
		
			
	
	
			 		
													
		
	
				Replied by yesferatu on topic Submission - Shadow Figure / Work from shadows - maneuvers for oblivion			
			
				I was counting Pass Through Shadow, which you can burn later for +1 stealth. 4/5 stealth cards isn't terrible for a disciple that's been around for a couple months. Obfuscate's had 30 years.
I don't have a problem with a reverse Swallowed by the Night, but I don't think new Lasombra decks are having trouble getting actions through. In my opinion, they are low on defense & combat. I do like the idea of a "grapple" that works at range, not unlike Thoughts Betrayed or even Hunter's Mark, but they don't need more strength.
					I don't have a problem with a reverse Swallowed by the Night, but I don't think new Lasombra decks are having trouble getting actions through. In my opinion, they are low on defense & combat. I do like the idea of a "grapple" that works at range, not unlike Thoughts Betrayed or even Hunter's Mark, but they don't need more strength.
		Last edit: 10 Dec 2024 00:35  by yesferatu.			
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