Compromise on Villein
06 Apr 2011 09:43 #3171
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Compromise on Villein
I suppose it was created to stop the Anthelios/Minion Tap combo.Secondly, I honestly did not see the need for this card to be created.
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06 Apr 2011 09:45 #3172
by Juggernaut1981




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Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: Compromise on Villein
Ankha, what are the ways to do that?
MT + Golconda
MT + Voter Cap
MT + Giants Blood
VC is the only one without an internal limitation.
MT + Golconda
MT + Voter Cap
MT + Giants Blood
VC is the only one without an internal limitation.





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06 Apr 2011 10:20 #3176
by elotar
You need to win referendum?
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VC is the only one without an internal limitation.
You need to win referendum?






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06 Apr 2011 10:50 #3179
by Ankha
MT + Concert Tour (not seen quite ofter though)
Vc requires to win a referendum, and by many votes.
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Compromise on Villein
MT + DmitraAnkha, what are the ways to do that?
MT + Golconda
MT + Voter Cap
MT + Giants Blood
VC is the only one without an internal limitation.
MT + Concert Tour (not seen quite ofter though)
Vc requires to win a referendum, and by many votes.
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06 Apr 2011 23:15 #3194
by Juggernaut1981




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Replied by Juggernaut1981 on topic Re: Compromise on Villein
@Elotar: Which is already something the deck is trying to do to oust. The others are ways of avoiding being ousted (Giant's Blood, Concert Tour, etc, etc, etc). They provide blood/pool in a defensive fashion only.
@Ankha:
Dmitra gives 4 blood at most from her action. So it seems fair that VC should give between 3 and 5.
Concert Tour is Clan-Only for a generally fairly weak clan which has its largest capacity vampire around 7cap. So, for 1 blood action you MIGHT gain 7 blood (but probably not the full 7 blood).
Again, it comes back to the fact that VC hinges off a commonly available OUSTING mechanism. Most of the non-VC ways to refill a vampire are not directly connected to ousting, but more Defensive. Most of the others do NOT provide pool, with the exception of Edge of the World which has the most restrictions of all of them. The only way to 'cancel' a VC is via DI, but there are other ways to deal with MT on its own.
@Ankha:
Dmitra gives 4 blood at most from her action. So it seems fair that VC should give between 3 and 5.
Concert Tour is Clan-Only for a generally fairly weak clan which has its largest capacity vampire around 7cap. So, for 1 blood action you MIGHT gain 7 blood (but probably not the full 7 blood).
Again, it comes back to the fact that VC hinges off a commonly available OUSTING mechanism. Most of the non-VC ways to refill a vampire are not directly connected to ousting, but more Defensive. Most of the others do NOT provide pool, with the exception of Edge of the World which has the most restrictions of all of them. The only way to 'cancel' a VC is via DI, but there are other ways to deal with MT on its own.





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07 Apr 2011 06:23 #3199
by BeAst
I disagree.
Replied by BeAst on topic Re: Compromise on Villein
I think we need some necro!
I disagree.
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