Lilith's Blessing : Propositions for a new text

I am not sure why there is an all fired rush to bring this card back into the fold. What pressing need is there for this card to even exist in the game? The reason it was affecting the tournament scene is the 3 blood gain for a relatively easy to attain stipulation, Villein (which made it even less difficult) or no. If people truly are interested in its 'fetch a skill card' effect then their deck is most likely using multiple copies of the same M:Discipline card and every copy of LB put into the deck can just be other copies of that M:D card. Sure, it will have its limited uses otherwise but that's the gist.

With this precedent set, however, why don't we just ban Ashur's Tablets and thinktank a way to bring that one back afterwards.

Robert wrote:

I am not sure why there is an all fired rush to bring this card back into the fold. What pressing need is there for this card to even exist in the game? The reason it was affecting the tournament scene is the 3 blood gain for a relatively easy to attain stipulation, Villein (which made it even less difficult) or no. If people truly are interested in its 'fetch a skill card' effect then their deck is most likely using multiple copies of the same M:Discipline card and every copy of LB put into the deck can just be other copies of that M:D card. Sure, it will have its limited uses otherwise but that's the gist.

With this precedent set, however, why don't we just ban Ashur's Tablets and thinktank a way to bring that one back afterwards.

Ashur Tablets doesnt need banned, its change is so easy no fanfare is required

I dont have the card in front of me, and dont feel like typimg it all out amyway, but ive been saying this simce last year atcleast:

Between "13" and "cards" on the text of ashur tablets, insert the word "minion" .

Hell, if i could write small enough, id vulunteer to do
^
"Minion"
On any copy someone brought me once the card is legally erratad.

Liliths gwts to fetch the card, so if you use more than one differwnt skill, its handy. It also had thexbenefit lacking in multiple skill cards where if you run 2 lb and 3 skills, one lb lets you get all 3 skills, while 5 skill cards makes yiu wait to draw.....

Pascal wrote:

- Here's a short design intent exceprt: "The point is to identify the followers of Lilith (which are the Bahari in WW source material). Lilith, in the source material, rewards those who have suffered."

Suffering, eh?


Okay, that's not entirely serious, but are there any good options that make it somewhat harder for the vampire to qualify for LB in the first place - but still keep it to be a good effect that's worth aiming for? For example:

(Actually, the torpor version might not be totally awful if you move using it to your discard phase too. (Mummify-a-go-go!) (Mmm.. brackets.))

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Ashur Tablets doesnt need banned, its change is so easy no fanfare is required

You agree that it needs a change, got it. So you must also realize that LB and Liquidation on their own (or together) are not making MMPA decks so much stronger than they have been all ready.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Liliths gwts to fetch the card, so if you use more than one differwnt skill, its handy. It also had thexbenefit lacking in multiple skill cards where if you run 2 lb and 3 skills, one lb lets you get all 3 skills, while 5 skill cards makes yiu wait to draw.....

Lilith's is only getting you one skill card per minion, so if the deck in question is that convoluted then good luck. You also seem to think that 5 skill cards are harder to draw than 2 LB's that make you pay a pool and wait at least one more turn to use. It should have another plus to it then, maybe also giving the minion 3 blood or something useful like that.

Robert wrote:

Lilith's is only getting you one skill card per minion, so if the deck in question is that convoluted then good luck. You also seem to think that 5 skill cards are harder to draw than 2 LB's that make you pay a pool and wait at least one more turn to use. It should have another plus to it then, maybe also giving the minion 3 blood or something useful like that.

I had one deck where I used Lilith's to cover three separate missing skills needed for five different minions, the exact one needed differing based on the minions I happened to bring out that game. LB worked superbly for that. I'll grant you, you're right to say there's an all-or-nothing quality to drawing your first Lilith's Blessing instead of getting stair-stepped through each of the different skill cards I would need to draw in its absense. But one of the really irritating parts of deck games is the way they always seem to deny you the thing that turns out to be exactly relevant in many of your games. So for a deck that may need different skills based on the opposition and the crypt you draw, it was a nice tool. Whether that made an otherwise bad deck tournament-competitive is kind of iffy, I'll admit. But it sure made the deck a whole lot more fun for me to play. I took it apart last month after LB got banned.

Personally, i feel strongly lb is the LEAST problematic card playex in girls decks, and that Aksynia in those decks breaks Aksynia. Also, ashur tablets is a huge problem, with an easy fix.

I like the function of liliths blessing, and having it out before minions even. I dont think it was that broken, but we will see......