Optimal seatings changes 3R+F
30 Apr 2015 07:19 #70777
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Optimal seatings changes
We used the new seatings to our last tournament (17 players), and many players had the feeling the met the same players often.
I gave a look to the seating used, and I can confirm that this feeling was true. Among all the possible seatings that are "optimal" (ie. with the lowest vp/transfers deviation), there are variations about how many times player X met player Y.
For instance, the current (non-optimal) seating has 13 pairs of players that meet twice, and 58 pairs of players that meet once during the 3 rounds.
The seating I took among the list of optimal seatings was: 9 14 10 15 7 | 5 12 4 2 | 3 13 17 6 | 16 1 11 8 / 13 8 6 11 16 | 15 5 14 3 | 7 4 1 12 | 2 17 9 10
It contains 1 pair of players that meet thrice (14 and 15), 14 pairs twice, 53 pairs once.
But there are other optimal seatings that seem "better": 17 pairs twice, 50 pairs once, or 15 pairs twice, 54 pairs once.
I think we should value more the seatings with the most "meet once" pairs.
But what if it increases the number of players that meet thrice?
For instance, the seating with the most "meet once" pairs is: 63 once, 6 twice, 3 thrice
The seating with the most "meet once" pairs AND no "meet thrice" pairs is: 60 once, 12 twice
Which seating is "better"?
I gave a look to the seating used, and I can confirm that this feeling was true. Among all the possible seatings that are "optimal" (ie. with the lowest vp/transfers deviation), there are variations about how many times player X met player Y.
For instance, the current (non-optimal) seating has 13 pairs of players that meet twice, and 58 pairs of players that meet once during the 3 rounds.
The seating I took among the list of optimal seatings was: 9 14 10 15 7 | 5 12 4 2 | 3 13 17 6 | 16 1 11 8 / 13 8 6 11 16 | 15 5 14 3 | 7 4 1 12 | 2 17 9 10
It contains 1 pair of players that meet thrice (14 and 15), 14 pairs twice, 53 pairs once.
But there are other optimal seatings that seem "better": 17 pairs twice, 50 pairs once, or 15 pairs twice, 54 pairs once.
I think we should value more the seatings with the most "meet once" pairs.
But what if it increases the number of players that meet thrice?
For instance, the seating with the most "meet once" pairs is: 63 once, 6 twice, 3 thrice
The seating with the most "meet once" pairs AND no "meet thrice" pairs is: 60 once, 12 twice
Which seating is "better"?
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30 Apr 2015 07:37 #70778
by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Optimal seatings changes
1. No pair of players repeat their predator-prey relationship.
2. No pair of players share a table through all three rounds, when possible.
3. Available VPs are equitably distributed.
4. No pair of players share a table more often than necessary.
5. A player doesn't sit in the fifth seat more than once.
6. No pair of players repeat the same relative position[*], when possible.
7. A player doesn't play in the same seat position, if possible.
8. Starting transfers are equitably distributed. [NOAL]
9. No pair of players repeat the same relative position group[^], when possible.
How can two results be equally optimal if they don't have the same result for criteria 2 and 4?
2. No pair of players share a table through all three rounds, when possible.
3. Available VPs are equitably distributed.
4. No pair of players share a table more often than necessary.
5. A player doesn't sit in the fifth seat more than once.
6. No pair of players repeat the same relative position[*], when possible.
7. A player doesn't play in the same seat position, if possible.
8. Starting transfers are equitably distributed. [NOAL]
9. No pair of players repeat the same relative position group[^], when possible.
How can two results be equally optimal if they don't have the same result for criteria 2 and 4?
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30 Apr 2015 07:41 #70779
by BenPeal
Do not use this word.
Playing against the same person three times in the preliminary rounds of a tournament seems terrible. One might say suboptimal.
Replied by BenPeal on topic Re: Optimal seatings changes
thrice
Do not use this word.
I think we should value more the seatings with the most "meet once" pairs.
But what if it increases the number of players that meet thrice?
Playing against the same person three times in the preliminary rounds of a tournament seems terrible. One might say suboptimal.
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01 May 2015 08:18 #70799
by alf
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Replied by alf on topic Re: Optimal seatings changes
Isn't this the plural of throuse?
Do not use this word.thrice

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01 May 2015 14:12 #70806
by Squidalot
Yes definitely in players meeting three times more than multi-pairs of players
Replied by Squidalot on topic Re: Optimal seatings changes
thrice
Do not use this word.
I think we should value more the seatings with the most "meet once" pairs.
But what if it increases the number of players that meet thrice?
Playing against the same person three times in the preliminary rounds of a tournament seems terrible. One might say suboptimal.
Yes definitely in players meeting three times more than multi-pairs of players
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01 May 2015 15:56 #70808
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Optimal seatings changes
I'm redoing the computations because rule 2 had been taken out of the equation.
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