What if VTES was rebooted into an incompatible 2.0 version?

Soooo back on topic... If VTES was rebooted in an incompatible 2.0 version, would VEKN still be able or willing to release PDF sets for VTES 1.0?

Worst case scenario (depending on view) is that a new fan based organisation will be assembled to release fan based VTES 1.0 sets and govern tournaments, possibly taking over from VEKN. Highly unlikely but not beyond the realm of possibilities.

I'm one of those absolutely not interested in VTES 2.0, so it would be great if VTES 1.0 could still continue on whilst the rest dabble with their VTES 2.0.

Ashur wrote:

Charles_Bronson wrote:

...Then we will be all screwed up again, for the same very reason we're screwed now.
Or we fix this issue, or it will last forever.

Yes, but what exactly is "deckmaster license"? If it´s just the Deckmaster-logo on the back of the cards, I guess we can live without it, if people just play sleeves in tournaments (as they already do, if they mix in Jyhad-cards).

Do Hasbro own the Potence Symbol? Do they own the Action Symbol? Do they own the rule book as written? Do they own the card art on Francois/Ur-Shulgi/Sutekh/etc? Do they own the back of the cards? Do they own the Trisnake? Do they own the "Turn Sequence"?

Unless you know exactly what they own, the only way to be sure is to rebuild it from the ground up. Circumvent the problem, or as Bronson said... when the license runs out the game goes into torpor until another license can be negotiated which may be never (as currently seems the case).

Don't get suckered into the Sunk Cost Fallacy, we aren't getting the time we spent playing this game back, we aren't getting back the money we spent on the cards and as/if the player base dwindles in number the perceived value of your cards will dwindle to nothing as well. Euthanase VTES, rebuild it with the features we love but enough novelty that it can't be challenged by Hasbro as being in any way theirs.

Then we get a game in print, that has a backing company for stuff like new cards and maybe prize support which can be out in stores/internet growing a playerbase.

Ashur wrote:

GreyB wrote:

Soooo back on topic... If VTES was rebooted in an incompatible 2.0 version, would VEKN still be able or willing to release PDF sets for VTES 1.0?

Possibly not, depending if White Wolf Publishing feel it interfere with any new WoD games. Their stated aim is to unite all classic WoD into their new "One World of Darkness". This means VEKN (whatever legal body that is?) will not be able to use any WoD IP to produce a gain, certainly if it´s for profit. I would create a "Star Wars CCG - Wars CCG situation" which I´m personally not very interested in.

I also want to clarify that VEKN is a interest organization for VTES specifically. It is not an organization for promoting WoD-based card games in general or anything like that:
"Vampire: Elder Kindred Network™ is the Official V:TES Players' Organization dedicated to the continued health of V:TES. The V:EKN endeavours to help V:TES grow in popularity through the embracing of new players as well as through the support of the existing fans. The V:EKN is the organization responsible for sanctioning and regulating official V:TES tournaments, recording V:TES players' ratings (and rankings)."

Hmm, thing is, if Paradox opts for an incompatible VTES 2.0, which basically is a new game that looks like VTES 1.0 but is not VTES 1.0, then there's no change to the state of VTES 1.0.

So the next question is twofold. Would Paradox allow VEKN to continue releasing VTES 1.0 PDF sets and if so, would VEKN still be willing to create VTES 1.0 sets and promote VTES 1.0 as it does now. Or will VEKN simply move on to promoting VTES 2.0 and leave VTES 1.0 to rot and die off?

If all answers have a negative outcome, I am sure we could gather a fan based non-profit organisation to keep VTES 1.0 alive and continue releasing fan based sets and promote fan based tournaments. Basically, if VTES 1.0 and VEKN moves to VTES 2.0, we could have a VEKN 2.0 that stays with VTES 1.0

Ashur wrote:

Charles_Bronson wrote:

Imagine that the game is continued through many several sets during a 5 or 10 year license. then, wizards/hasbro/whatever does not renovate deckmaster license for whatever reason, just like happened before.

Then we will be all screwed up again, for the same very reason we're screwed now.
Or we fix this issue, or it will last forever.

Yes, but what exactly is "deckmaster license"? If it´s just the Deckmaster-logo on the back of the cards, I guess we can live without it, if people just play sleeves in tournaments (as they already do, if they mix in Jyhad-cards).

Can't find out a better source atm, but MTGsalvation has this:

When Magic was first designed, Wizards of the Coast had plans for a series of trading card games. To group these games together, they were all given the name "Deckmaster". Magic, Jyhad (renamed Vampire: the Eternal Struggle), Netrunner and BattleTech were all Deckmaster games. Wizards of the Coast eventually abandoned this method of grouping their trading card games, but the Magic card back is locked so the Deckmaster logo remains.

I guess 'deckmaster' logo is property of wizards of the coast. This would only matter if we wanted to use the old cards in the new game though.