Polishing VtES - refining crypts and removing grouping

OK. Continuing

Brujah

Adana de Sforza 11 CEL OBF POT PRE PRO aus inner circle
60% of Brujah "top management" are useless

10 cap
Armin Brenner 10 CEL FOR POT PRE ani obf archbishop
I think he is preferable to Marcel de Breau

Jann Berger 10 CEL POT PRE dem for prince
for

Menele 10 CEL POT PRE THA aus dom
filler

9 cap
Dmitra Ilyanova 9 CEL FOR POT PRE obf justicar

Dark Selina 9 CEL POT PRE dom for cardinal
only one

Hektor 9 CEL POT PRE QUI for priscus
priscus

8 cap
Constanza Vinti 8 CEL DOM POT prince
Donal O'Connor 8 CEL DOM POT prince
euro

Count Germaine 8 CEL FOR POT PRE obf
filler for

Jack Drake 8 CEL POT pre tha
anarch

Lord Aaron Wesley 8 CEL POT PRE ani obf
black hand

7 cap
Juggler 7 CEL DOM obf pot
Theo Bell 7 POT cel dom pre
euro

Joshua Tarnopolski 7 CEL PRE obf pot
filler

Salvador Garcia 7 CEL PRE pot pro
anarch

Urraca 7 ANI CEL POT pre bishop

Miguel Santo Domin 7 POT PRE cel for
filler

6 cap
Pug Jackson 6 CEL POT for pre primogen

Rake 6 PRE aus cel pot prince
I think that group 1-2 princes are funnier than group 4-5

Sela 6 POT PRE cel obt bishop
Shawnda Dorrit 6 CEL obt pot pre priscus

Henry Taylor 6 POT cel pre pro

Suddenly it became quite complicated here because of lot of weenies

5 cap
Dodd 5 CEL dom pre
Steve Booth 5 CEL pot pre pro
Volker, The Puppet 5 CEL pot prince

Rigby, Crusade Vanguard 5 CEL PRE pot aus

Herbert Westin 5 OBF PRE pot
OBF PRE

Wah Chun-Yuen 5 POT cel dom pre
Black hand

4 cap
Hector Sosa 4 POT pre
Hugo 4 POT pre vic

Mariano Pomposo 4 aus cel pot
Black hand

Reginald Moore 4 PRE primogen
Victor Tolliver 4 CEL pot

3 cap
Ariane 3 cel pot pre
anarch

Garret 3 pot pre
Lynn Thompson 3 cel pot

Sarah Brando 3 CEL

2 cap
Arnold Simpson 2 pot
Clifton Derrik 2 cel
Honest Abe 2 pre

Frederick the Weak 2 pre

- Eurobrujah
- Dmitra and Ko (with or without for)
- Debate
- CEL weenie
- POT weenie
- PRE weenie
- Unexpected Coalition
- Cardinal, 2 Arcbishops, 2 Prisci, 2 bishops, 3 black hand
- 20/17/3 camarilla/sabbat/anarch

Update: Two camarilla brujas was switched for sabbat ones to allow Unexpected Coalition deck.

Toreadors

in a little different style by showing logic I use

Starting with the titles

IC
Alexandra 11
Raphael de C... 11
They are both different and useful. .2

Justicars
Anneke 10
And actually that's all. Guil is totally useless, Montecalme disciplines are original, but also there are nothing which can be achieved with it. .3

Princes
groups 1-2/2-3 got 5, so we need 5
Villon 10 he is not widely played, but actually he is quite cool
Anson 8 we have to

Ira Rivers 7
Marcellus 8 this two are staples in AUS CEL decks

Epikasta R... 8 filler .8

Primogens
Masika 10 staple
Andreas, Bard of 9 staple + there are interesting pro splash
Victoria Ash 6 I think it is important to include clan novel signature characters
Antoinette 6 obf
Eugene 8 filler .13

Cardinal
Klaus Konrecht 8 Donatien looks striped of "points" .14

Priscus
Venere Carboni 8 Matteus is too big .15

Archbishops
Malabrabca 9
Melusine d'Anjou 8 as you see - for sabbat it's easy - just take best ones. In most cases you'll got no chance to over-strength their politic power .17

Bishops
Rosa Martines 9
Miller Del...8
Jessika 7
Ian Walli... 6 I've just removed advanced ones. .21

Black hand
Ondine "Boudicca" ... 9 I think she is better than Marthe Di
Dominique Santo P... 6
Gabriel de ...5 .24

Anarch
Victor Gerard 7 .25

Then we are just filling holes in capacity

2 cap
Dieter Kleist
Carter
we need dorks with aus and cel, because pre was already "taken" by Ventrue and Bruja "neonates". aus looks better for camarilla, cel for sabbat .27

3 cap
Isabel de Leon 3 staple
Jonathan Gursel pre
Yvette, the Hopeless cel pre must be represented .30

4 cap
Bethany Ray
Loonar
Mariana Gilbert
PRE. Jayne J was dropped from brujas, so we have to add one PRE weenie

Dorian Strack
Remilliard, Devout Crusader staples .35

5 cap
Victor Revell, Loyalist CEL
Amber
Barth fillers .38

7 cap
Kateline Nadasdy
Arianne, The Conqueror

.40

So something like it. Actually I'm mostly worried not because I'll miss something but because I may end with too many vampires for some strategy.

By the way, when thinking about crypt for Brujah Debate and Palla Grande came to the conclusion, that clans must be "united" with it's antitribu brethren to make this project to work.

Obviously it's possible to make smallcap crypt specially for those archetypes, but it kind of destroys whole concept of minimizing number of useless vampires.

Clans were never meant to split in VTES anyway

Squidalot wrote:

Clans were never meant to split in VTES anyway

So something like this:

Palla Grande
Type: Master
Requires: Toreador
Unique master.
Put this card in play and put 3 debauchery counters on it. Sabbat vampires can bleed with +1 bleed as a action.. Remove a debauchery counter from this card at the end of each of your turns. Burn this card if it has no counters.

Making it much less parasitic and much more fun for sabbat as a whole.