shuffel the deck
11 Aug 2011 09:19 #7856
by KevinM
This is a perception problem that JOLers have, too. Randomization means RANDOM. You're going to get all different kinds of ordering when you randomize. Random doesn't equal shuffle. Shuffling involves a human and it's always, always going to be less-random than "random".
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Replied by KevinM on topic Re: shuffel the deck
Assuming that Lackey truly randomizes the cards, how is it possible to randomize them "more"?Old version of VTES Plugin don't automatically shuffle card from crypt, you need shuffle it manually.
In new version both piles (library an crypt) are shuffled, but like other perople said Lackey randomize the cards and results is not always good.
I recommend players shuffle their card piles 3 or 5 times, this help a little.
This is a perception problem that JOLers have, too. Randomization means RANDOM. You're going to get all different kinds of ordering when you randomize. Random doesn't equal shuffle. Shuffling involves a human and it's always, always going to be less-random than "random".
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11 Aug 2011 23:14 #7948
by Sydnelson
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Replied by Sydnelson on topic Re: shuffel the deck
It's about randomize code. The results is better if you do more times because the first time all cards same cards are grouped. Second and other times cards are scattered over the pile and better than first randomize.
Sorry for my bad english
Sorry for my bad english
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12 Aug 2011 04:45 #7957
by KevinM
I'm saying that if you need to randomize the cards multiple times then the algorithm that you're using isn't sufficient, and isn't randomizing the cards.
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Replied by KevinM on topic Re: shuffel the deck
Your English is good.It's about randomize code. The results is better if you do more times because the first time all cards same cards are grouped. Second and other times cards are scattered over the pile and better than first randomize.
Sorry for my bad english
I'm saying that if you need to randomize the cards multiple times then the algorithm that you're using isn't sufficient, and isn't randomizing the cards.
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12 Aug 2011 13:45 #7992
by Cyrus
Replied by Cyrus on topic Re: shuffel the deck
Maybe you could have the algorithm run itself a few times instead of once by default?
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12 Aug 2011 14:53 #7996
by Sydnelson
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Replied by Sydnelson on topic Re: shuffel the deck
The problem is I don't write the Lackey program, I already talk about it with main Lackey programmer but he said that algorithm is OK.
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12 Aug 2011 17:28 - 12 Aug 2011 17:29 #8007
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic Re: shuffel the deck
Here is the author's answer:
www.lackeyccg.com/forum/index.php?topic=358.msg7831#msg7831
Randomizing is much easier to program than trying to simulate some kind of hand shuffling.
www.lackeyccg.com/forum/index.php?topic=358.msg7831#msg7831
Randomizing is much easier to program than trying to simulate some kind of hand shuffling.
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