The Banu Haqim preconstructed deck

Hobbesgoblin post=103201
Hunger of marduk has to be played before range, telegraphing your intentions.

Can you specify the scenario where this is relevant? 

Without having to go in some corner cases scenario :

I block, I play hunger of Marduk, the opposing play S:CE
vs
I block, I don't play anything until my opponent chose his strike and if it is S:CE I chose either to cycle my card I want to be rid of or I keep my ressource in my hand

I am in combat, I play Hunger of Marduk, the opposing play Immortal Grapple before strike and my card already played is useless
vs
I am in combat, the opposing play immortal grapple, I keep my ressources in my Hand to be used later.

Now could you specify the scenario where you would rather have a Hunger of Marduk vs a Theft of Vitae (outside of playing additional strikes).

(Yes, there is Thought Betrayed which I saw played a couple of times in nearly 20 years of playing VtES and Evil Eye which see more play but I would say about at least 95% less than S:CE)

Timo wrote:

Now could you specify the scenario where you would rather have a Hunger of Marduk vs a Theft of Vitae (outside of playing additional strikes).

(Yes, there is Thought Betrayed which I saw played a couple of times in nearly 20 years of playing VtES and Evil Eye which see more play but I would say about at least 95% less than S:CE)

 

To play Devils Advocate (as I am in general on your side, that Hunger of Marduk has a very special niche in where it edges out over theft of vitae, wich is Additinal strikes):
Charismatic Aura, Hall of Mirrors, the Jones, Supernatural resistance are all cards that cancel strike cards. albeit less strongly then evil eye. (An I only ever saw Evil eye and Charismatic Aura see any play)

Well, yes, those cards exist.

Anad in the case of Charismatic Aura, When I saw this card played the vampires playing it had it at superior and so in this case it would be moot ^^

The thing make me have a "tiny " rant , is that the Banu are {again} the clan with lesser tools.
The best thing we can do we Thaumaturgy is the new rush and Magic of the smith. [for the Heart and maybe a Sniper rifle koz of the 2nd tradition].

When i see the others pre constructed decks gonna be release, really i feel sad for the Banu Haqim.

Kassims power are so ... weird for a justicar. And why a 9 cap ? The Banu don't deserve the same weapon as the other Camarilla clan ? 

I heard the other arguments that " it's a new release , wait the other cards " , "Quietus was bad in combat "
I'm agree about BCP should design the same lore for the V5 vtes as the V5 RPG.
But why Ministry , Brujah and later for sure Gangrel got better design and card AGAIN in the game.

i 'dont get it.

Do we have to wait other extension release or kickstarter to have some new ritual ? or new Banu cards ?
For the moment the only thing i see with this clan is an Anarch combat deck .
And some pshift deck.

Maybe rush/ S&B  deck with perfect clarity ?

And the retribution will finally help Assamites, with Quietus, combat to make more GW.

for the other things , i' m disapointed. 
It's my personal point of view.


 

Comparing this to guns though…

Guns are in play, your intentions are pretty well telegraphed