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Dumping Archon, creating a new tournament guiding app?
27 May 2018 12:10 #87563
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Dumping Archon, creating a new tournament guiding app?
We need players, and players want fair games. Having twice the same prey or predator because someone had to leave early is not acceptable.My point is: to enable a simpler solution, we need simpler rules.
To avoid this, I think a player that late arrival or early drop with frequency 1 per year/6 months could have a warning and points be reduced if it happens again while on warning.
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27 May 2018 22:32 #87576
by Hecatombe
Little Baali studying to become a true Baali someday.
Prince of Palma,Mallorca, Spain.
Replied by Hecatombe on topic Dumping Archon, creating a new tournament guiding app?
Hello everyone, I've been reading this forum and I have some ideas that I want to discuss with you. I've been thinking about turning the Archon into a web application since last year, but I think that we could develop a whole website to manage every aspect of the tournament.
First of all, when WoD Berlin ended, Ginés told me that the inscription of the EC was very huge, write down all the personal data from more than 150 players can be really painful. So, I think that apart from reproduce the functions of the Archon, we could use a web for the inscriptions, creating an URL for the players to register and that would save a lot of time. Having access to the database would simplify the inscription process since we could retreive all the data needed from there. Moreover, that would save time when registring a new player because the page would assing a VEKN ID.
Secondly, the results could be validated within the web itself by the NC coordinators and add the scores to the players.
I am studying computer science/engineering right now and with a partner we are thinking about trying to develop that "Archonweb" during the summer if you think that it's a good idea. It would be made with PHP probably, since we don't know any other web language.
Unfortunately, the problem with late arrivals/drops would be there forever if Ankha's algorithm is correct, but I think that right now we should priorize saving time in other aspects of the tournaments.
Thanks to all.
First of all, when WoD Berlin ended, Ginés told me that the inscription of the EC was very huge, write down all the personal data from more than 150 players can be really painful. So, I think that apart from reproduce the functions of the Archon, we could use a web for the inscriptions, creating an URL for the players to register and that would save a lot of time. Having access to the database would simplify the inscription process since we could retreive all the data needed from there. Moreover, that would save time when registring a new player because the page would assing a VEKN ID.
Secondly, the results could be validated within the web itself by the NC coordinators and add the scores to the players.
I am studying computer science/engineering right now and with a partner we are thinking about trying to develop that "Archonweb" during the summer if you think that it's a good idea. It would be made with PHP probably, since we don't know any other web language.
Unfortunately, the problem with late arrivals/drops would be there forever if Ankha's algorithm is correct, but I think that right now we should priorize saving time in other aspects of the tournaments.
Thanks to all.

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28 May 2018 02:13 #87579
by Sambomb
Archbishop of Itaocara
Prince ID #510
Replied by Sambomb on topic Dumping Archon, creating a new tournament guiding app?
I think we all agree that change and improvement is needed.
I agree with Ankha that players deserve fair games.
Our main focus should be an algorithm to handle early drops and late arrivals when they occurs using the previous rounds as base.
Maybe using the optimal seating and swaping positions until everything works
I agree with Ankha that players deserve fair games.
Our main focus should be an algorithm to handle early drops and late arrivals when they occurs using the previous rounds as base.
Maybe using the optimal seating and swaping positions until everything works
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28 May 2018 05:57 #87583
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Dumping Archon, creating a new tournament guiding app?
This is not possible in a reasonable amount of time, due to the combinatorics.Maybe using the optimal seating and swaping positions until everything works
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28 May 2018 06:08 #87584
by Ankha
I think an open-source project could motivate other persons with IT skills to help too.
Replied by Ankha on topic Dumping Archon, creating a new tournament guiding app?
All contributions are welcomed ! But, who is "we"?I've been thinking about turning the Archon into a web application since last year, but I think that we could develop a whole website to manage every aspect of the tournament.
It sounds a good idea, but keep in mind that sometimes, people don't have access to the internet from the tournament place.we could use a web for the inscriptions, creating an URL for the players to register and that would save a lot of time.
I'm not sure it would save time. Someone HAS TO check that the player doesn't exist (name mispelt, or not the real name used) before creating a new VEKN number, otherwise we'll have plenty of duplicates.. Moreover, that would save time when registring a new player because the page would assing a VEKN ID.
? This is already the case!Secondly, the results could be validated within the web itself by the NC coordinators and add the scores to the players.
Sure! If it works, it can be hosted on the VEKN website.I am studying computer science/engineering right now and with a partner we are thinking about trying to develop that "Archonweb" during the summer if you think that it's a good idea. It would be made with PHP probably, since we don't know any other web language.
The minimal requirement is that it covers the same features as the archon today. Tell me if you need any help on that project.Unfortunately, the problem with late arrivals/drops would be there forever if Ankha's algorithm is correct, but I think that right now we should priorize saving time in other aspects of the tournaments.
I think an open-source project could motivate other persons with IT skills to help too.
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28 Oct 2024 09:59 #112931
by domepro
Replied by domepro on topic Dumping Archon, creating a new tournament guiding app?
I have to say it's a bit funny reading suggestions by people here that obviously don't understand combinatorics and what "exponential growth" means 
I have a deep dislike for excel/openoffice, and at this point I think having a webapp for archon would generally improve friction on tournaments. I'll just copy paste what I wrote on the facebook topic, and a general note from someone that has been programming for a long time - if you think it's going to take you a summer to do, it's probably going to take you a year at least
C/P below:
I also agree that in this day and age of websites and phone apps it's quite an ask to use excel or openoffice, even a google sheets archon would be an upgrade at this point.
I've wanted to start working on something for myself but without support and talking to VEKN leadership/BCP it would, in the end all have to be copied over to archon to submit the results so the whole utility of it is questionable without a bigger plan. There's also bcncrisis.com/ which is heavily used in Spain/Italy, but I'm also not sure how results are submitted there. I'm not sure if there's any active development done on bcncrisis, but maybe that codebase/functionality could be upgraded/taken over - I know one of the pain points there is handling DQs.
In any case, I'm a software dev with a lot of experience and I would volunteer my time to work on a more modern version of tournament tooling and I have some ideas about solving some pain points, but would definitely need feedback and/or support from VEKN/BCP for a lot of things - stuff like:
API for fetching player data
single sign on on your VEKN account (I don't think it would make sense to have another account with your VEKN id)
stuff I'd like to implement as a base functionality that I have not seen elsewhere:
web app that's designed for mobile-first usage
tournament sign up/attendance confirm via QR code - that you can print out (in multiple copies) for the day of the tournament
optional score confirmation by players at a given table - after results are entered all players can either have to mark the scores as correct or there is a time period where players can mark scores as incorrect

I have a deep dislike for excel/openoffice, and at this point I think having a webapp for archon would generally improve friction on tournaments. I'll just copy paste what I wrote on the facebook topic, and a general note from someone that has been programming for a long time - if you think it's going to take you a summer to do, it's probably going to take you a year at least

C/P below:
I also agree that in this day and age of websites and phone apps it's quite an ask to use excel or openoffice, even a google sheets archon would be an upgrade at this point.
I've wanted to start working on something for myself but without support and talking to VEKN leadership/BCP it would, in the end all have to be copied over to archon to submit the results so the whole utility of it is questionable without a bigger plan. There's also bcncrisis.com/ which is heavily used in Spain/Italy, but I'm also not sure how results are submitted there. I'm not sure if there's any active development done on bcncrisis, but maybe that codebase/functionality could be upgraded/taken over - I know one of the pain points there is handling DQs.
In any case, I'm a software dev with a lot of experience and I would volunteer my time to work on a more modern version of tournament tooling and I have some ideas about solving some pain points, but would definitely need feedback and/or support from VEKN/BCP for a lot of things - stuff like:
API for fetching player data
single sign on on your VEKN account (I don't think it would make sense to have another account with your VEKN id)
stuff I'd like to implement as a base functionality that I have not seen elsewhere:
web app that's designed for mobile-first usage
tournament sign up/attendance confirm via QR code - that you can print out (in multiple copies) for the day of the tournament
optional score confirmation by players at a given table - after results are entered all players can either have to mark the scores as correct or there is a time period where players can mark scores as incorrect
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