Proxy expansions questions

Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but I'll shoot it anyway.

I recently got back into playing VTES tournaments, and as I understand, since Black Chantry resumed card printing, some tournaments don't allow the use of proxys anymore (as I understand, the organizer can choose to allow proxys or not in most tournaments, and some like GPs and NC don't allow it all).

My question is: and what about those few expansions that were first "printed" in proxy only format? Does this specific cards can be used in tournaments where proxys are not allowed? And if so can anyone confirm what those expansions are this exception?

Thanks a bunch

Hi, the pdf expansions are considered official and can be used even in "no proxy" tournaments, please see this section of the vekn site to furter information:

www.vekn.net/official-expansion-sets

Franz wrote:

Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but I'll shoot it anyway.

I recently got back into playing VTES tournaments, and as I understand, since Black Chantry resumed card printing, some tournaments don't allow the use of proxys anymore (as I understand, the organizer can choose to allow proxys or not in most tournaments, and some like GPs and NC don't allow it all).

My question is: and what about those few expansions that were first "printed" in proxy only format? Does this specific cards can be used in tournaments where proxys are not allowed? And if so can anyone confirm what those expansions are this exception?

Thanks a bunch

You've somewhat mistaken in understanding the rules regarding proxies. While DavidR's response is to the point I'll add to it by providing the relevant parts on the tournament rules regarding both proxies and the "pdf expansions".

Feel free to read through the tournament rules as they include everything you need to understand how a VEKN sanctioned tournament is handled.
www.vekn.net/tournament-rules

4.1. Cards Allowed

All cards in a player's deck must be genuine Vampire: The Eternal Struggle or Jyhad cards or official V:EKN issued cards from the only authoritative source www.vekn.net as listed here:

Danse Macabre
The Unaligned
Storyline Rewards 2015
Anarchs Unbound

When using V:EKN issued cards they must be preferably color printed on standard paper and inserted into opaque sleeves before another Vampire: The Eternal Struggle or Jyhad card, this requires opaque sleeves for the whole crypt and/or library. These cards are not considered as proxies. See www.vekn.net/official-expansion-sets
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As you can see, the tournament rules explicitly state that for the purposes of sanctioned tournament they are not considered as proxies. Aka you can run them whenever you like, unless the tournament is specific limited type that forbids them by expansion or name, when it also applies to the kickstarter printed cardboard versions. Even for nationals or continental championships.

4.5. Proxy Cards

As long as the game is not under production, the organizer of an event that is neither a National Championship nor a Continental Championship can choose to allow proxy cards in his or her event. For events where proxy cards are allowed, several points apply:

there are no limit to the number of proxy cards a deck can have
every proxy card must be a color-copy of the original card, on standard paper
the quality of the print must allow the reading of the illustrator's name
the organizer must mark the event as 'allowing proxy cards' on the VEKN calendar"

Proxy-cards must be inserted in an opaque sleeve (along the rest of the crypt and/or library), before a regular VTES card.

Otherwise, the use of proxy cards is not permitted, unless a judge provides these cards. If a card becomes excessively worn through play or accidentally damaged in the current sanctioned tournament, or if the owner of the card must leave prior to the conclusion of a game, the judge may provide a proxy replacement card or (in the case of damaged or worn cards) require the player to sleeve all of his or her cards before play continues.

When a judge creates a proxy for a player, it is included in the player's deck. The original card is kept close at hand during the game, if possible. When the proxy is in play, replace it with the original. When it returns to the player's deck/hand, swap it with the proxy. This replacement method helps ensure that the opponent is able to clearly see the intended card and to avoid confusion.

The term "proxy" includes counterfeit cards or any card that is not a genuine game card. Counterfeiters will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

And this part is related to the "in print" misunderstanding. Due to the game not being in production yet, organizers of most events are able to allow proxy cards to be used. This can be seen from the tournament event calendar listing, compare; www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/12294 and www.vekn.net/event-calendar/event/12052 to note the difference.

If you need more localized information on why proxies are/are not allowed in your local tournament, consult the organizer. Just remember that the four listed expansions in 4.1 are not considered proxies. It's can be confusing when there's two different names ("proxies"/"not proxies") and tournament rules for what is essentially identical printed sheet of paper but that's how it's written.

You can rest assured if and when there's official change regarding the rules around proxies and the not proxies expansions there will also be lots of heated discussion and drama as people have become used to the current way.

Thank you guys, I don't know if my question was frazed correctly since english is not my primary language, but I was asking what expansionsare not considered proxy even when we use printed cards.

As I understand, those below are the ones, as you guys pointed out, right?

Danse Macabre
The Unaligned
Storyline Rewards 2015
Anarchs Unbound


Thanks a bunch