Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!
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02 Jul 2011 21:28 #5743
by brandonsantacruz
I agree, that would lead to boredom in the metagame. What I've found to work as a counter to strong players and decks that are silly if uncontrolled is aggression, but it doesn't have to be boring. The Rising is just an idea I'm working with, but you could use combat, lots of small bleeds, Banishment, or whatever. A toolboxy deck with the right tools can put a hurt on any deck, cross-table or not.
In my experience, the biggest problem is that people don't treat strong players/decks as a threat. Don't give them pool, don't destroy their pred/prey, etc. I've made that mistake before and seen it made plenty of times. Don't give up ;P
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
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Replied by brandonsantacruz on topic Re: Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!
The question, to me at least, is whether answering the dominant archetype leads to creative deck building or stagnation. If the only reliable answer (as in doesn't suck against everything else) to Girls is DEM-weenie with The Rising we're looking at a very boring metagame.
I agree, that would lead to boredom in the metagame. What I've found to work as a counter to strong players and decks that are silly if uncontrolled is aggression, but it doesn't have to be boring. The Rising is just an idea I'm working with, but you could use combat, lots of small bleeds, Banishment, or whatever. A toolboxy deck with the right tools can put a hurt on any deck, cross-table or not.
In my experience, the biggest problem is that people don't treat strong players/decks as a threat. Don't give them pool, don't destroy their pred/prey, etc. I've made that mistake before and seen it made plenty of times. Don't give up ;P
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
-Friedrich Nietzsche
brandonsantacruz.blogspot.com/
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02 Jul 2011 23:07 #5745
by Adonai
There are quite a few answers to 'Girls who' decks.
It was first ousted at my table in the NAC day 2, and neither the Rising nor DEM-weenie were on the table. It was also ousted on another table and wasn't in the finals that day at all.
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!
If the only reliable answer (as in doesn't suck against everything else) to Girls is DEM-weenie with The Rising we're looking at a very boring metagame.
There are quite a few answers to 'Girls who' decks.
It was first ousted at my table in the NAC day 2, and neither the Rising nor DEM-weenie were on the table. It was also ousted on another table and wasn't in the finals that day at all.
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03 Jul 2011 10:04 #5750
by Suoli
I'm talking about reliable answers. Decks or modules that have an obvious advantage over Girls. I don't know why the Girls got ousted at NAC but two losses at one tournament doesn't seem to be enough to indicate anything.
To be clear, I'm not even sure if the Girls are as overpowered as it seems. This is all academic on my part.
Replied by Suoli on topic Re: Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!
If the only reliable answer (as in doesn't suck against everything else) to Girls is DEM-weenie with The Rising we're looking at a very boring metagame.
There are quite a few answers to 'Girls who' decks.
It was first ousted at my table in the NAC day 2, and neither the Rising nor DEM-weenie were on the table. It was also ousted on another table and wasn't in the finals that day at all.
I'm talking about reliable answers. Decks or modules that have an obvious advantage over Girls. I don't know why the Girls got ousted at NAC but two losses at one tournament doesn't seem to be enough to indicate anything.
To be clear, I'm not even sure if the Girls are as overpowered as it seems. This is all academic on my part.
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03 Jul 2011 10:21 #5752
by Suoli
The problem with Girls is that it doesn't have any obvious weak points that a toolbox could exploit. Bleeds need to overcome Aksinya and insane bloat. Combat needs to burn every minion they bring out before they get Villein/Golconda. You pretty much need to either commit your deck to a single line of attack or get the whole table against them.
Thanks but I'm not personally struggling against Girls at the moment. It's just a deck that I believe has the potential to make the tournament scene less fun.
Replied by Suoli on topic Re: Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!
I agree, that would lead to boredom in the metagame. What I've found to work as a counter to strong players and decks that are silly if uncontrolled is aggression, but it doesn't have to be boring. The Rising is just an idea I'm working with, but you could use combat, lots of small bleeds, Banishment, or whatever. A toolboxy deck with the right tools can put a hurt on any deck, cross-table or not.
The problem with Girls is that it doesn't have any obvious weak points that a toolbox could exploit. Bleeds need to overcome Aksinya and insane bloat. Combat needs to burn every minion they bring out before they get Villein/Golconda. You pretty much need to either commit your deck to a single line of attack or get the whole table against them.
In my experience, the biggest problem is that people don't treat strong players/decks as a threat. Don't give them pool, don't destroy their pred/prey, etc. I've made that mistake before and seen it made plenty of times. Don't give up ;P
Thanks but I'm not personally struggling against Girls at the moment. It's just a deck that I believe has the potential to make the tournament scene less fun.
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03 Jul 2011 11:02 - 03 Jul 2011 11:10 #5753
by Squidalot
Replied by Squidalot on topic Re: Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!
though the Girls did comes sixth in the NAC day2 i think (and the master aksinya module did win the FCQ)?
Last edit: 03 Jul 2011 11:10 by Squidalot.
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03 Jul 2011 12:38 #5756
by Demnogonis Saastuttaja
It already has. Some years ago it was still exciting to go to a tournament, where you presume people will play better and have more thought out decks. Now? Have fun with your timeouts and don't do any kind of a deck that can't oust some player who bloats 20 pool in a turn... See the wonders of Anson and Girls at every table.
The choice is binary. A minion removal deck, or an incredibly aggressive pool damage deck, that's all I can think of that will work in the current metagame.
Replied by Demnogonis Saastuttaja on topic Re: Honest Idea for fixing overly strong master cards!
Thanks but I'm not personally struggling against Girls at the moment. It's just a deck that I believe has the potential to make the tournament scene less fun.
It already has. Some years ago it was still exciting to go to a tournament, where you presume people will play better and have more thought out decks. Now? Have fun with your timeouts and don't do any kind of a deck that can't oust some player who bloats 20 pool in a turn... See the wonders of Anson and Girls at every table.
The choice is binary. A minion removal deck, or an incredibly aggressive pool damage deck, that's all I can think of that will work in the current metagame.



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