file Gwyedd and Tangle Atropo's Hand

09 Nov 2011 12:07 #13891 by Ankha
Gwyedd performs an undirected action. Minion A attempts to block. Gwyedd plays Tangle Atropo's Hand at tem.

Is minion A tapped?

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The action hasn't reached resolution, but do any "after resolution" effect trigger?


Name: Gwyedd
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Gangrel
Group: 4
Capacity: 10
Discipline: tem ANI DEM FOR POT PRO
Camarilla primogen: When Gwyedd is performing an undirected action, any younger vampire who attempts to block and fails is tapped after resolution.

Name: Tangle Atropos' Hand
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Temporis/Potence
Only usable when a minion is attempting to block.
[pot] Cancel the action and untap the acting minion. (The blocking minion is not tapped.)
[tem] As [pot] above, and take the action card, if any, back into your hand (discard afterward).
[TEM] As [tem] above, and this vampire gets +1 stealth on his or her next action this turn.

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09 Nov 2011 12:16 #13892 by Adonai
Not tapped.
The action doesn't "resolve".

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09 Nov 2011 15:20 #13923 by Smaul
As Adonai I also believe that they are not tapped, the "after resolution" text in Gwyedd's special, let´s it clear, and TAH cancels the action before any resolution.

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09 Nov 2011 16:25 #13928 by jamesatzephyr
Official confirmation from LSJ, if it's needed.

[LSJ 20090211]

> Is Smudge [the would-be blocker] tapped or untapped.

Untapped. Gwyedd's ability only tries to tap Smudge after action resolution, and
Tangle cancels the action before resolution.

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14 Nov 2011 16:05 #14130 by Pascal Bertrand

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