file Rewind time and wake cards

16 Nov 2011 18:00 #14596 by Forhead
Can Rewind Time both :tem: and :TEM: be used by first playing a wake card i.e. by a tapped minion? The 'All rulings' part of vekn.net says that Special Report don't work with Rewind Time, so I guess that goes for Eluding the Arms of Morpheus as well

Rewind Time
Type: Reaction
Requires: Temporis/Presence
Cost: 2 blood
 Reduce a bleed against you by 1.
[tem] Cancel an action card as it is played (the acting minion is not tapped).
[TEM] Usable by a ready, untapped vampire even though there is no action. Cancel a non-out-of-turn master card as it is played during any other Methuselah's master phase (no cost is paid). The Methuselah who played that card gains another master phase action.

On the Qui Vive
Type: Reaction
Only usable by a tapped minion. This reacting minion can play reaction cards and attempt to block as though untapped until the current action is concluded. If this minion is an ally, he or she does not untap as normal during his or her next untap phase. A minion may play only one On the Qui Vive between his or her untap phases.

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16 Nov 2011 18:21 #14603 by Smaul
You can use on the qui to use rewind time in inferior temporis. You can't use on the qui( or similar cards) to play it superior temporis as there is no action.
The key why you can´t use special report or eluding to play rewind time at inferior temporis is because the 2 cards both say you try to block the action. As played window period goes before any block attempts are made, so by the time you would try to cancel the card with inferior temporis after playing special report, you couldn't.
The rulebook specifies that you can play wake with the evening´s freshness and similars in the as played window period. Cards and habilities that specifie that and wake like cards are the only ones permited.

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16 Nov 2011 22:59 - 17 Nov 2011 10:58 #14656 by Pascal Bertrand
The Rulebook (1.6.1) specify cards such as "Forced Awakening" are usable in the "as played" window (in addition to cards with explicit cardtext).

"Cards such as Forced Awakening" are defined here: [LSJ 20080130] as cards reading "this minion may play reaction cards as though untapped". So far, this includes:
- Wake with Evening's Freshness
- Forced Awakening
- Eyes of Argus
- Fillip
- Aye (if you have 3 of them)
- On the Qui Vive

Cards that would untap your minion (Babble, Guard Dogs, Forced Vigilance, ..) and cards that would have you declare a block attempt aren't usable in the "as played" window, such as Special Report: [LSJ 20021011]


Wake cards, on the other hand, are reaction cards, and can't be played outside of an action. (Rulebook 1.6.3.6). [LSJ 20020209] . So you can't Wake+ sup' Rewind Time.

Also, any non-wake ability can't be used in the as-played window (tapping Barrens, Dreams, Ercyies, ..)
Last edit: 17 Nov 2011 10:58 by Pascal Bertrand.
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17 Nov 2011 08:59 #14713 by Hakuron
Just to get it right:

On the Qui Vive + Rewind Time at :tem: is possible,
but On the Qui Vive + Rewind Time at :TEM: is not.

True? B)


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17 Nov 2011 09:02 #14716 by Smaul
correct.
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