file Assorted rules questions

30 Nov 2011 22:35 - 30 Nov 2011 23:26 #16599 by Xaddam
1) Can I use Abomination on a just recruited Cry Wolf?

2) Can I use Set's Curse on a just recruited Vagabond Mystic?

3) Does Abomination and/or Set's Curse actions qualify for Taking the Skin: Minion?

4) Can Seterpenre receive Abombwe skill cards from his special?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: I should include card texts.

Name: Abomination
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 pool
Capacity: 4
+1 stealth action. Requires a ready non-sterile vampire.
Burn a ready untapped werewolf ally you control to put this card in play. It becomes a unique Independent Abomination with 4 capacity, superior Protean [PRO] and +1 strength. Move up to 4 blood from the acting vampire to this vampire. This vampire gets an additional strike each round and an optional maneuver each combat. He may enter combat with a ready minion as a (D) action.

Name: Set's Curse
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 2 blood
Discipline: Serpentis
+1 stealth action.
[ser] (D) Burn any ally or retainer to put this card into play. This card becomes an animal ally with 3 life, 2 strength and 0 bleed. This ally cannot have or use equipment or retainers and cannot play action cards.
[SER] As above, but burn a vampire with capacity less than 3 to put this card in play.

Name: Taking the Skin: Minion
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Combat
Discipline: Abombwe
[abo] [REFLEX] Cancel a frenzy card played on this vampire as it is played.
[abo] Skin. Play when this vampire burns a minion. Put this card on this vampire and untap him or her. This vampire may bleed an additional time this turn and gets +1 bleed and +1 stealth when bleeding. Burn this card during your discard phase. A minion can have only one skin.

Name: Seterpenre
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Follower of Set
Group: 5
Capacity: 10
Discipline: AUS NEC OBF PRE SER
Independent: When Seterpenre enters play, put up to four master: Discipline cards on him from your hand, ash heap and/or library (shuffle afterward). Discipline cards do not affect his capacity.

Name: Abombwe [abo]
Cardtype: Master
Capacity: +1
Master: Discipline. Trifle.
Put this card on a Laibon or on a vampire with Protean [pro]. This vampire gains one level of Abombwe [abo]. Capacity increases by 1: the vampire is one generation older. Cannot be placed on a vampire with superior Abombwe.

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Prince of Örebro
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30 Nov 2011 22:55 - 30 Nov 2011 22:57 #16600 by Adonai
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Assorted rules questions

1) Can I use Abomination on a just recruited Cry Wolf?


No.
The just recruited ally is not 'ready'.

LSJ Feb 11, 2004
groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/1320fda5f0aad48a

2) Can I use Set's Curse on a just recruited Vagabond Mystic?


Yes.
Set's Curse does not require the ally to be 'ready', the way Abomination does.

3) Does Abomination and/or Set's Curse actions qualify for Taking the Skin: Minion?


Yes.
Both burn allies from play, which satisfies the text of Taking the Skin: Minion.

4) Can Seterpenre receive Abombwe skill cards from his special?


Yes.
The Abombwe text is not checked as it comes into play, only Seterpenre's text matters.
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30 Nov 2011 22:57 #16601 by Pascal Bertrand

1) Can I use Abomination on a just recruited Cry Wolf?

No - Abomination requires a ready ally.
Cry Wolf is put in the uncontrolled region when recruited ( Rulebook 6.1.5 , [LSJ 20010713]

2) Can I use Set's Curse on a just recruited Vagabond Mystic?

Sure.

3) Does Abomination and/or Set's Curse actions qualify for Taking the Skin: Minion?

Sure.

4) Can Seterpenre receive Abombwe skill cards from his special?

Yes. [LSJ 20051116] (where Seterpenre is "etc") The requirement ("Put this card on a vampire with ...") only applies when the card is played.
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30 Nov 2011 23:19 - 30 Nov 2011 23:26 #16602 by Xaddam
Replied by Xaddam on topic Re: Assorted rules questions
Bonus questions, mostly for completion.

5) Does The Becoming (without skill card), Bima (without skill card) or War Ghoul qualify for Taking the skin: Minion?

EDIT: I should include card texts.

Name: Bima
Cardtype: Ally
Clan: Follower of Set
Cost: 1 blood
Ghoul with 2 life. 2 strength, 1 bleed.
When this Bima enters play, move a master: Discipline card to it from your hand or burn this Bima. The Bima may play cards that require the basic level of that Discipline as a vampire.

Name: The Becoming
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 2 blood
Capacity: 0
+1 stealth action. Requires a non-sterile vampire.
Put this card in play. It becomes a 0-capacity {non-unique} vampire of the same clan as the acting vampire. Move up to 1 blood from the acting vampire and up to 3 Discipline cards from your hand to this vampire. This vampire cannot act this turn. If this vampire has no capacity-increasing Discipline cards, burn him or her.

Name: War Ghoul
Cardtype: Ally
Clan: Tzimisce
Cost: 3 pool
Ghoul with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed.
When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any ready vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a (D) action. She may prevent 1 damage each round. Tap and burn War Ghoul to burn any location; you cannot use this ability during combat.

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Prince of Örebro
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30 Nov 2011 23:28 #16605 by Pascal Bertrand

Bonus questions, mostly for completion.

5) Does The Becoming (without skill card), Bima (without skill card) or War Ghoul qualify for Taking the skin: Minion?

No. In these cases, the Bima/War Ghoul/Becoming is not burned by the acting vampire (who merely puts them in play). [LSJ 20090921]

And note that the minion recruiting a War Ghoul doesn't burn anything; xe merely
puts the War Ghoul in play.

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01 Dec 2011 08:28 - 01 Dec 2011 08:30 #16626 by Ankha
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*Hmm* forget

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