Re: Strix superior and the edge

Methuselah A bleeds for 1, Methuselah B plays superior Strix. Does Methuselah A gain the edge?

Name: Strix
Cardtype: Reaction
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Striga
Burn Option
[str] +1 intercept, even if intercept is not yet needed. If this vampire successfully blocks this action, he or she untaps at the end of the action. [str] is not a Discipline.
[STR] Only usable when a bleed against you is successful. The bleed burns no pool. Instead, this vampire taps and enters combat with the acting minion.

From the rulebook section 6.1.1 Bleed:
"[...] Additionally, if the action succeeds and the bleed amount is one or more, then the bleed is successful and the controller of the acting minion gets the Edge, taking it from the Methuselah who has it."

I am also not Pascal, but if no pool is lost during a bleed, then a bleed is not successful. Meth A does NOT gain the edge - what he/she gains instead is a fight with Meth B's vampire.

It's worded almost exactly like Spying Mission. you play it "when the bleed is successful" so it's after the opportunity to bounce, but suddenly it's not successful anymore because it's for 0. No edge gained.

RaptorNut wrote:

I am also not Pascal, but if no pool is lost during a bleed, then a bleed is not successful. Meth A does NOT gain the edge - what he/she gains instead is a fight with Meth B's vampire.

Haze wrote:

It's worded almost exactly like Spying Mission. you play it "when the bleed is successful" so it's after the opportunity to bounce, but suddenly it's not successful anymore because it's for 0. No edge gained.

Superior Strix is only playable when the bleed is successful. And the rulebook says that the edge is moved when the bleed is successful (which is required for superior Strix to be played) and the bleed amount is for more than 0. Superior Strix has a different wording than superior Spying Mission in that Spying Mission actually states that the bleed is unsuccessful.

None of the cards actually reduce the bleed amount, but rather the amount of pool being burnt.

Spying Mission
Type: Action Modifier
Requires: Obfuscate
[obf] +1 stealth.
[OBF] Only usable when a bleed would be successful. The bleed burns no pool; it is unsuccessful. Instead, put this card on the acting vampire. The next time this vampire successfully bleeds the same Methuselah, burn this card for +2 bleed.

Scratch that.