Form of Mist vs Blissful Agony / Morphean Blow

Pascal wrote:

Mael wrote:

This brings up a question I hadn't considered before, if the acting minion plays superior Form of Mist and is simultaneously sent to torpor by the blocking vampires Catatonic Fear or Loving Agony, does the action continue?
I can't actually find anything in the rulebook that checks if the vampire is still ready at the end of the action, and this post by LSJ seems to suggest it would work, but it seems odd (and contrary to what I would expect).

LSJ wrote:

> I can't think of how to interrupt anything with Diablerie
> at all. Amaranth can always be played if one's opponent is
> going to torpor but what could it interrupt?

Form of Mist's continuance ....

If the acting minion isn't ready, the action can't continue.

What if the action is one takeable by a vampire in torpor?

Baron Dieudonne is in torpor and rescues himself. During the block attempt, you use Warsaw Station to move him to your ready region. He is blocked, plays Form of Mist to continue the action, but is sent to torpor (Loving Agony, Outside the Hourglass + Disarm).

Since the action to leave torpor is performable by a vampire in torpor, why can't he continue the action? (Assume that he can pay for it due to Coven or Blood Tears of Kephran).

echiang wrote:

Pascal wrote:

Mael wrote:

This brings up a question I hadn't considered before, if the acting minion plays superior Form of Mist and is simultaneously sent to torpor by the blocking vampires Catatonic Fear or Loving Agony, does the action continue?
I can't actually find anything in the rulebook that checks if the vampire is still ready at the end of the action, and this post by LSJ seems to suggest it would work, but it seems odd (and contrary to what I would expect).

LSJ wrote:

> I can't think of how to interrupt anything with Diablerie
> at all. Amaranth can always be played if one's opponent is
> going to torpor but what could it interrupt?

Form of Mist's continuance ....

If the acting minion isn't ready, the action can't continue.

What if the action is one takeable by a vampire in torpor?

Baron Dieudonne is in torpor and rescues himself. During the block attempt, you use Warsaw Station to move him to your ready region. He is blocked, plays Form of Mist to continue the action, but is sent to torpor (Loving Agony, Outside the Hourglass + Disarm).

Since the action to leave torpor is performable by a vampire in torpor, why can't he continue the action? (Assume that he can pay for it due to Coven or Blood Tears of Kephran).

If a vampire leaving torpor is blocked there is no combat but the blocker either diablerizes the vampire or the action just ends and the vampire stays in torpor.

Hm, I forgot about Crypt's Sons.
[LSJ 20080611] shows the action taken from torpor can continue, if blocked (and, of course, if the acting vampire is still around).
However, a minion in torpor cannot continue an action that can't be performed in torpor (per LSJ's previously quoted rulings).

Klaital wrote:

What if the action is one takeable by a vampire in torpor?

Baron Dieudonne is in torpor and rescues himself. During the block attempt, you use Warsaw Station to move him to your ready region. He is blocked, plays Form of Mist to continue the action, but is sent to torpor (Loving Agony, Outside the Hourglass + Disarm).

Since the action to leave torpor is performable by a vampire in torpor, why can't he continue the action? (Assume that he can pay for it due to Coven or Blood Tears of Kephran).

If a vampire leaving torpor is blocked there is no combat but the blocker either diablerizes the vampire or the action just ends and the vampire stays in torpor.

That's interesting. Because even though the action is technically to "leave torpor" at the time of blocking, the vampire is not actually in torpor (he's ready). Can he still really be diablerized even though he's ready? (I also assume that the action doesn't "fizzle" immediately, since it would only check his valid torpor status at the start of the action and at the end of the action and he would be in torpor during both periods, just not continuously during the middle).

(Well, that's one of the problems with Warsaw Station being able to be used at any time, unlike say, Heidelberg which can't be used during an action).

echiang wrote:

(Well, that's one of the problems with Warsaw Station being able to be used at any time, unlike say, Heidelberg which can't be used during an action).

I guess Warsaw Station has to be like that to be functional in the opponent's turn. If it was like Heidelberg, once your blocking Nosferatu got torporized while blocking, he would have to wait for the active player to finish his turn (and diablerize him...) before being able to use the WS.

Non-existant user wrote:

echiang wrote:

(Well, that's one of the problems with Warsaw Station being able to be used at any time, unlike say, Heidelberg which can't be used during an action).

I guess Warsaw Station has to be like that to be functional in the opponent's turn. If it was like Heidelberg, once your blocking Nosferatu got torporized while blocking, he would have to wait for the active player to finish his turn (and diablerize him...) before being able to use the WS.

Or he could just wait until the action was over and use it before the next action was announced? If it were to work like Heidelberg.
(Unless this ruling has been reversed or changed somehow.)

LSJ wrote:

> I see. But I could block an action with Doll Face who's driving a
> Sport Bike, and after combat is over(and before the next action is
> announced) I could tap Heidelberg Castle to give the Sport Bike to
> Dancing Dana, right?

Right.