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19 Oct 2022 20:34 #106615
by Ankha
So can you NOW target a vampire in a Secure Haven with a Banishment?
This is and has always been the case.
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19 Oct 2022 20:35 #106616
by kschaefer
Nothing has changed. Political actions do not target any minion; they are undirected.
Compare Secure Haven to Yoruba Shrine.
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20 Oct 2022 04:02 #106617
by Joscha
Thank you.
I wonder about the reason to delete the D-action symbol then however.
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20 Oct 2022 07:57 - 20 Oct 2022 08:01 #106618
by Ankha
Thank you.
I wonder about the reason to delete the D-action symbol then however.
By definition:
If the action targets one or more other Methuselahs or things controlled by other Methuselahs, then the action is called directed, and only the Methuselahs who are targeted may use their ready unlocked minions to attempt to block the action. If more than one Methuselah has been targeted by the action, blocking attempts are made in a clockwise order.
If the action is not directed at another Methuselah or at something controlled by another Methuselah, then the action is called undirected and can be blocked by the acting Methuselah’s prey or predator, with the prey getting the first opportunity to block.
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As a reminder, when a card describes an action that is typically directed at another Methuselah, the card’s text will usually include a 
symbol as a reminder that the action is typically directed.
Since actions performed by other Methuselahs' minions are directed at the minion with the Secure Haven, the
symbol is inappropriate (since it's not "typically directed" -- it IS directed).
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20 Oct 2022 10:45 - 20 Oct 2022 10:48 #106624
by Bloodartist
Nothing has changed. Political actions do not target any minion; they are undirected.
I dont think this is quite correct. Semantics. Theres been rulings that if an action card CHOOSES a target, then it is directed even without any particular targeting. For example condemn the sins of the father chooses a clan, and it has been ruled a directed action against all owners of said clan members.
However, with political actions it is not the action that chooses a target, its the referendum. In my opinion it is because of this distinction that all political actions are undirected.
A heretic is a man who sees with his own eyes.
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20 Oct 2022 10:52 #106625
by inm8
Only an action can be directed or undirected where a political action is always the latter as its effects is to call a referendum. That a referendum in turn needs a target to be chosen doesn’t make the action itself needing one which is where the distinction is made.
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